Posted on 11/30/2006 7:34:44 PM PST by rit
NET senior editor James Kim and his family are missing.
The 36-year-old Kim, his wife Kati, and daughters Penelope (4 years) and Sabine (7 months) left their home in San Francisco last week on a road trip to the Pacific Northwest. They were last seen on Saturday, November 25, in Seattle, according to the San Francisco Police Department, which has opened a missing persons' investigation. They were driving a 2005 silver Saab station wagon with California personalized plates of "DOESF."
Those with information about the Kim family's whereabouts are asked to contact the SFPD immediately--at 415-558-5508 during normal business hours and at 415-553-1071 after-hours. The Portland Police Department can be reached at 503-823-4000.
In one of the stories, Kati did say they had had to get out and move rocks off the road.
I'm still surprised there weren't any other people around in the daytime, as I had been so hopeful when I heard that it's an area where they cut Christmas trees.
Perhaps the commercial tree-cutters had already been there and wrapped up their early deliveries and any locals or "public" who might come and cut their trees just hadn't started making that trek yet. A bad "in-between" time.
From what I know, people can get a permit to cut a Christmas tree just for personal use. I don't think any commercial tree cutters are allowed to cut in state or National forest. It is a very remote area. After this, the state or county should mark the road as impassible in winter with signs on the road and on maps.
If Mr. Kim isn't found alive, this is a horrible tragedy that could have easily been prevented.
And since the Kims are from out of state, how would they have known the dangers of the road?
Forrest Service Road.
Just had a live update on a local station from the area.
They have been searching all night and have a shift change as I type.
Good Day Oregon will keep us updated live.
Now that this has happened being the road was not labeled as a Forrest Service Road it may change how maps are printed up.
And there are parts of Oregon that are very much like Alaska.
Just up the road from me is old logging roads that the neighbor gals hike on and there are Elk up there along with smaller wild life.
We have roads the closest town that are still gravel.
Only locals go out on the forrest service roads because they know them and it is used to get out hunting and fishing.
We have lil roads that folks live on all over, just was over across town the other day to go pick up my flocked tree from the warehouse of the local tree farm and didn't know that area existed and I have lived here 20 yrs.
The mom of the two bambino's told her folks to announce on Larry King that she kept the kids alive by breast freeding them.
THe searchers are concentrating on a certain area today after finding his tracks in the snow yesterday.
Where we live on the rugged coast most everyone drives a truck, van or suv....not to stereotype but if it is a economy small car around here chances are a lefty is behind the wheel.
As far as the Christmas trees, I was just going by what some of the local articles had said earlier.
They didn't distinguish between the types of people who might be traveling that road to cut their trees - I was surmising, since they said "now" is when there are lots of people on that road, going to cut Christmas trees - that whoever they were, they weren't up there cutting trees now, because no one had been on the road.
I was just thinking through who-all it might have been going up there for Christmas trees. Wasn't considering that it's a National Forest, but then I wasn't sure that groups of people, like the non-profits who man Christmas tree lots in town, wouldn't be allowed to cut several trees to sell.
Thanks for all those great Local-Freeper-On-The-Scene updates. It really helps understand this story better.
In the Sierra's where I live, a lot of the small forest roads are gated, and closed when winter comes. They were closed last week and won't open until winter. Me thinks Oregon needs the same.....
Duh..I meant won't open again until SPRING!
Not enough coffee yet....
Do you get Good Day Oregon on Fox 12 where you live?
We love that show for AM news and tips.
The wardrobe they wear is horrible but the people and tidbits of info, live news, weather and such are great. JMO
The main gal looks about 40 something yrs and they dress her in hippie style clothes more appropriate for a teen. Looks sloppy and plain dumb.
Jo the on scene guy around town is really funny. He is at a dog grooming place with his dog Rocko this morning and the dog is not real happy. Jo is happy go lucky.
Family orientated show IMO.
Hah one of those stories was a family in an RV they were featured on the local news after the rescue and that ended the parents up in jail as they were wanted in another State (Arizona?) on a warrent for failure to appear, meth heads. Arizona authorities saw them on tv.
Coming south from Roseburg you can take a loop road that goes south west following the rail line which then swings south where it hits Glendale, a logging town west of I-5. Mid way on the loop is where the Agness/Powers road intersects which runs through Eden Valley down to the Rogue river. There is another paved road the intersects this one that goes down to Galice upriver on the Rogue. Both roads are paved and kept in good condition. Now, if you get off either one of these main roads, you can get into trouble faster than you can spit.
I know the area as well as anyone can and I got spoofed one summer with a detour caused by a rock slide west of the Rogue before coming into Agness. Little sign with the word and an arrow pointing NW and off we went. I reached the coast 5 hours later with absolutely no idea how I had got there. People have no idea how much forest/land is out there and how easy it is to lose yourself in it.
plus the truck is loaded with spare fuel, shovels, comealongs, jacks, planks, ammo, two rifles and one carried automatic.
Go here to see the turnoff area: 42 40' 40.12"N 124 04' 31.65"W
Don't have to go that far onto a service road to cut your own tree.
I tease the other person here that I am going to cut one from the yard. We live at the foot of the coast cascade range and the trees need to be cut back every few years they grow, spread fast.
Birch grows like weeds among the spruce/pine.
Thanks, I'll try that - it's more precise. All I had was decimal: 42.63, -123.84
I don't know where the non profits get there trees.....but we have plenty of Christmas tree farms here.
They were considering gating some in my area but the locals said no way and so they stay open....not all service roads are like the one these folks got stuck on at such a high altitude.
The young men around here love to go muddin'.
I agree, SJ. And such routes should have a special color on all maps, indicating stupid route in late spring and summer and suicidal route in fall and winter.
Entrance signs should read: "Abandon all hope, Ye who enter here."
Prayers still going up that James will be found alive and healthy.
Hmm, I don't think I entered that correctly. It shows a place much further (well, not *much* much) north and west, in Curry Co., just south of the Coos Co. line, north of Illahe and west of Agness, than what I had shown earlier, which is in Josephine Co., closer to Galice.
When I was hiking on the logging roads litterally my back yard I used my white silk nursing tape to mark my way, easy to miss the twists and turns.
I am an amatuer hiking person and so a 40 min hike in it would be very easy to miss the turn on the paths back out.
No ONE uses white silk nursing tape up there. I even make arrows on trees with it when up there.
Not only do they have the AV's out but horseback and on foot now too, update.
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