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Let Us Test Darwin, Teacher Says (British Teachers Challenge Darwinism)
BBC NEWS ^ | 11/27/2006

Posted on 11/30/2006 7:44:59 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Let us test Darwin, teacher says

Science teaching materials deemed "not appropriate" by the government should be allowed in class, Education Secretary Alan Johnson has been urged.

Chemistry teacher at Liverpool's Blue Coat School, Nick Cowan, says the packs promoting intelligent design are useful in debating Darwinist evolution.

Education officials insist intelligent design is not recognised as science.

It argues that evolution cannot explain everything so the Universe must have had an intelligent creator.

The packs were sent out to 5,000 secondary schools by a group of academics and clerics known as Truth in Science.

The Department for Education and Skills said they were inappropriate and not supportive of the science curriculum.

Reacting to Mr Cowan's letter, a DfES spokesman said: "Neither creationism nor intelligent design are taught as a subject in schools, and are not specified in the science curriculum.

"The National Curriculum for science clearly sets down that pupils should be taught that the fossil record is evidence for evolution, and how variation and selection may lead to evolution or extinction."

The call from Mr Cowan - former head of the school's chemistry department - comes as the Guardian reported that the Truth in Science materials were being used in 59 schools.

'Sacred cow'

Mr Cowan says they are "very scholarly" and could be extremely useful in helping children understand the importance of scientific debate

He told the BBC: "Darwin has for many people become a sacred cow.

"There's a sense that if you criticise Darwin you must be some kind of religious nut case.

"We might as well have said Einstein shouldn't have said what he did because it criticised Newton."

He argues that science only moves forward by reviewing and reworking previous theories and that these materials foster an understanding of this.

'Controversy'

He also points out that the Truth in Science materials, which he describes as outstanding, do not mention creationism or even God.

He says the GCSE syllabus requires children to appreciate how science works and understand the nature of scientific controversy.

"The government wants children to be exposed to scientific debate at the age of 14 or 15.

"All the Truth in Science stuff does is put forward stuff that says here's a controversy.

"This is exactly the kind of thing that young people should be exposed to," Mr Cowan added.

'Poorly served'

The chairman of the parliamentary science and technology committee, Phil Willis, said using the packs in science classes "elevated creationism" to the same level of debate as Darwinism and that there was no justification for that.

He added: "There's little enough time with the school curriculum to deal with real science like climate change, energy and the weather.

"This is quite frankly a distraction that science teachers can well do without."

Dr Evan Harris, honorary associate of the National Secular Society and Liberal Democrat science spokesman, said it was worrying that some schools were giving "this nonsense" any credence.

Many leading scientists argue that ideas about intelligent design should not be allowed in school because they are simply not scientific.

Back in April, the Royal Society warned against allowing creationism in school saying that pupils must understand that science backs Darwin's theory of evolution.

The society's statement said: "Young people are poorly served by deliberate attempts to withhold, distort or misrepresent scientific knowledge and understanding in order to promote particular religious beliefs."

Recently, the British Humanist Association asked Mr Johnson for greater clarity on the teaching of creationism in schools.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alanjohnson; bluecoatschool; british; darwin; darwinistrage; evanharris; evoboors; intelligentdesign; liverpool; nickcowan; test; truthinscience; unitedkingdom
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To: doc30; editor-surveyor

Give it up, doc. You could take ed-surv to any geological formation in the world and he would argue that it was somehow crafted from the floodwaters. He's a lost cause.


61 posted on 12/01/2006 9:16:53 AM PST by blowfish
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To: LiteKeeper
But faith as in religious thought is written in stone as the basis for the thought and everything is derived from that. A scientist cannot have anything written as unchangeable and have no other explanation or they will be called a priest or politician. They can have a premise or hypothesis to start with but proven facts that can be changed were not really proven to begin with. No scientist can have a word of god, end of discussion beginning to an investigation or why start looking.
62 posted on 12/01/2006 9:18:17 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: razzle
despite the lack of evidence...

The ability of the faithful to blind themselves to what is staring in the face is why I stopped arguing on these threads. A human mind is easily able to believe in space aliens behind the comet, or a four thousand year old earth, or 72 virgins, whatever they are told. It's simply amazing.

That human ability to have faith in completely irrational ideas is one of the last true scientific mysteries.

63 posted on 12/01/2006 9:39:01 AM PST by narby
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To: shuckmaster
People aren't against evolution because they don't understand it. People are against evolution because they do understand it and are scared to face reality.

I thought that Darwinism has "passed every single rigorous test without fail". I guess that question wasn't on the test...

Anyway, I'm not against evolution because I'm scared to face reality, I'm against presenting faith as fact and calling it science.
64 posted on 12/01/2006 9:43:26 AM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: shuckmaster; metmom
Wow. Someone questions you and they automtaically have "pinko liberal kin" and additionally they get called a "backwards thinking liberal".

Quite a stretch there, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised since no one is here exhorting you to "be nice".

65 posted on 12/01/2006 9:57:53 AM PST by Sam's Army (Merry Sectarian Commercial Event and Happy New Euro-American Calendar Year!)
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To: bdfromlv
Your statement indicates your lack of understanding regarding scientists who are also theists/Christians. These scientists believe there is much to be discovered in God's creation. How life works is a big question. But they are guided, as are secular scientists, with certain presuppositions. One of those is that the universe is ordered, consistent, and comprehensible...because a personal Creator created it. And because it is ordered, it can be studied, and figured out.

This doesn't mean that the sole source of knowledge is the Bible...but that the Bible informs us as the the "whys" and "wherefores" of creation.

66 posted on 12/01/2006 12:30:48 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: narby
The reason you are stopping discussions on these threads is a result of your eyes opening to something you don't want to hear i.e. you have been lied to by the darwinists all your life. The Piltdown man, Haeckles phony embryo drawings, peppered moths, phony "transitionals" like the Peiking man, phony mammals to whales transitionals, Miller Urey "primordial soup" experiments, etc. Most of this lies are still in our school textbooks in the effort to fool our children. Why must you and all liberals lie so often to protect your belief systems. And don't talk to me about space aliens, you are the one "believing" in unproven "facts".
67 posted on 12/01/2006 4:14:54 PM PST by razzle (Democrat "science" - embryo cloning, global warming and darwinism)
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To: razzle
The reason you are stopping discussions on these threads is a result of your eyes opening ...

In your dreams. I've stopped arguing about science because of the impenetrable nature of the logic/brain barrier in many posters here.

When it becomes impossible to teach the ignorant, the intelligent know when to stop waisting their time.

68 posted on 12/01/2006 6:36:35 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
In other words, you quit posting because you are afraid of assimilation.

They are the creationists, you will be assimilated.

Or run off the board, whichever they deem necassary for thier rah rah Creationist party.

69 posted on 12/01/2006 10:43:18 PM PST by Jaguarbhzrd (We have fossils... We win! Lewis Black)
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To: doc30
"Bla, bla, bla (waves hands) Bla, bla, bla...."

Yes doc, we're listening.

70 posted on 12/04/2006 8:26:43 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: shuckmaster; metmom
"...just as your pinko liberal, evolutionist kin would prefer no one ever have to get a job to pay for their welfare but, that's not the way the real world works..."

Anyone ever met a pinko that wasn't an evolutionist?

I didn't think so, carry on.

71 posted on 12/04/2006 8:31:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: LiteKeeper
the basic problem as you state it is not with the search for truth and facts but that there is no real definition of what a scientist is.
72 posted on 12/09/2006 5:25:02 PM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: SirLinksalot

‘You know what I love about you guys?. You have Charles Darwin on your money. That would never happen in America..’

—US comedian Rich Hall


73 posted on 06/29/2015 8:32:38 AM PDT by the scotsman
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