Electronic Voting Can't Be Trusted

Sun-Sentinel ^ | 29 November 2006 | Norma Fisher

[lifelong_republican]

"...These machines must go. There is no way to know if one's vote is accurately accounted for..."

[Banjoguy]

You can thank the Dems of Palm county Florida for the main thrust of the movement to make the counting of one's vote an electronic certainty. After all, they couldn't find their backsides with both hands let alone draw a line between two points on a ballot.

Couple this with the fact that the Dems insist on trying to get all close elections into a court, where they have a chance to finagle the outcome.

If banks can accurately keep track of who you are and all of your banking business, most of the time without missing a beat, electronic voting systems can be made that way. Further, audit trails and duplicate, parallel counts should be a piece of cake.

It's my opinion that perfect, accurate, "LEGAL" vote counting will not ever happen because the Dems don't really want it and certain judges won't keep their hands off it.

[The_Victor]

DIEBOLD!!!!!!!!!

[hosepipe]

[ "...These machines must go. There is no way to know if one's vote is accurately accounted for..." ]

Aliens(both legal and illegal) VOTING is more(as much) of a problem..
Strange that republican leadership could care less about vote fraud..
Very strange..

[itsahoot]

Thanks for the DU-style paranoia.

This must have been GW's idea, else we would be on those things like a dog on a bone.

[Don Corleone]

The "Purple Finger" method seems to work!

[-YYZ-]

The difference is that the manufacturers of ATMs and associated equipment are responsible to the banks for any problems that may arise. They, and the banks, have a very strong financial incentive to ensure that their sytems are secure and reliable. Plus, of course, if something does go wrong the bank will (eventually) take care of it for you. Is any of this true of voting machines?

[wideawake]

Strange that republican leadership could care less about vote fraud.. Very strange..

Ridiculous statement.

The number one source of vote fraud is people voting multiple times and ineligible people voting.

The obvious fix to this is photo ID requirements, which the GOP has quite vocally advocated and which has been actively combatted by Democrat judges at every turn.

There is not one single documented case of voter fraud with manipulation of modern voting machines.

There are certainly hundreds, perhaps thousands, of documented cases of vote fraud through multiple registrations, dead men voting, etc.

Focus.

[itsahoot]

We know the RATS want paper ballots because they are much easier to fake.

And they wanted voting machine in Chicago back in the day, for what reason? I seem to forget.

You will never stop fraud until every voter is identified and linked to they ballot they cast. To be honest how many people don't already know how you voted? Secret ballot my rear, that is why we have campaign rallies.

[hosepipe]

[ Ridiculous statement. / The number one source of vote fraud is people voting multiple times and ineligible people voting. ]

Like I just said.. Aliens voting(both legal and illegal) are ineligible.. They are not citizens.. therefore its vote fraud.. With a portion of 30+ million legal and illegal aliens VOTING.. One wonders how many of the very close Congressional races just won by a very small margin were won by votes of legal and illegal aliens..

Not caring is ridiculous.. and political suicide Bushbot style..

[wideawake]

Not caring is ridiculous..

That's a fantasy you've created in your mind.

GOP leadership cares and is leading the charge against fraudulent voting by advocating photo ID requirements.

Photo ID requirements are much cheaper than trying to deport every single illegal between now and the next election.

Get in the game.

[Revel]

If the democrats had of been mandating it then we would have made all kinds of noise. The Republicans did it so...Then it was OK. Now we lost control of the ballot box.

[hosepipe]

[ Photo ID requirements are much cheaper than trying to deport every single illegal between now and the next election. / Get in the game. ]

Photo ID's will never happen now.. the democrats are in charge.. Legal and Illegal aliens WILL BE democrats and the democrats know it.. Only MOST of the republicans do not know that.. especially in the White RINO House..

The cure is Not photo ids.. The cure is makeing Renting to or Employing illegals... illegal(enforced).. i.e make the renter or employee PROVE they are legal.. They(the illegals) will deport THEMSELVES.. Also forced deportation of any legals(and possibly their familys) proved to have voted..

Should be quite simple to force illegals to deport themselves.. at least the honest ones.. The dishonest ones would remain hiding.. For THEM.. a bounty might be a good thing.. You know capitalism.. Start the roach hunt..

[Hazcat]

The dims won't be happy until the ballots only have dim names on them.

In the service we used to talk about making things "GI proof". The dims need to make things "criminal, illegal alien,, non-English speaking, dimwit" proof.

[studly hungwell]

I am a software engineer.

Any competent software engineer can make any computer say anthing they want it to say regardless of what the user inputs.

I can make the computer say global warming is happening, and give you the results to 10 decimal places.

I can make it give any vote totals I want no matter what actual voters input.

Trusting voting to computers is a ridiculous idea. About the only thing worse would be internet voting.

[eeevil conservative]

GREAT POST!

Just over half way down the page at this link is a lot more information on this issue...

http://www.madisonforum.org/need2know.htm

also-- here is an article that should be helpful also...

http://www.speakersummaries.madisonforum.org/2006/11/november_13_2006_garland_favor.html

THANKS!!

[RNO1]

The State has checked the machines and did not find a problem....The same machines where used in other parts of the state and no problem....The under votes were simply folks turned off by the election on both individuals part.....They simply did not want to vote for either....Yet for Her it is still not enough...She is planning on taking it to the Democratic controlled congress and get them to mandate another election in our district.....They only want that in Sarasota....Sounds like Gore to me........

[RNO1]

The Dems in Sarasota and other parts of the state. Wanted computer voting...It just did not go their way.....

[RNO1]

NO, they were Republicans who were not going to vote for Vern over the nasty race that took place.,...The person that they supported did not get the Republican nomination and it was one nasty election so they stayed home....There still is more Republicans in Sarasota than Dems but it is getting closer thanks to all the folks from the NE moving in here.....

[Doctor Raoul]

The difference is that the manufacturers of ATMs and associated equipment are responsible to the banks for any problems that may arise

Look up Mr. Rifkin. Hell that wasn' even ATM software.

Plus, of course, if something does go wrong the bank will (eventually) take care of it for you. Is any of this true of voting machines?

You're implying that the bank will find it and an election board won't.

Is any of this true of voting machines?

No better, no worse, as I said in my original post.

[lifelong_republican]

I appreciate the fact that you spoke up, before, and encourage you not to give up now.

You said:

"where was all this concern BEFORE they were mandated?"

Can you imagine someone at the planning session for the Boston Tea Party saying something to the effect that the Stamp Act was a fait accompli and that there'd be no point in tossing anything overboard?

There was in fact significant objection to the systems before they were implemented, even to the extent of numerous court actions. Some very powerful people want that particular fix in.