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Recliners vs. Uprights: Tighter Seating Puts Passengers at Odds
Wall Street Journal ^ | 28 November 2006 | SCOTT MCCARTNEY

Posted on 11/29/2006 5:30:40 AM PST by shrinkermd

With airlines squeezing more seats onto planes and flights more crowded than ever, some nasty battles are brewing, pitting passengers who recline their seats against the squished travelers sitting behind them...

Most U.S. airlines still allow seats to tip as far back as four or five inches....But now Southwest Airlines is doing something to reduce the threat of bruised knees and spilled drinks. The carrier is reducing the maximum recline in many of its seats so that customers can use laptop computers, for example, when the person in front of them wants to lean back.

...The airline decided to standardize recline at three inches, adjusting seats as planes go in for major maintenance work. s.

While Southwest offers 32 inches of space for each seat row on its Boeing 737s, many competitors have seats with less room -- 31-inch rows for the most part, with some as tight as 30 inches. Yet most other airlines also allow at least four inches of recline in seats...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: flying; sardine
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To: n230099

COOL!

I can't decide if the designer deserves an engineering award or a humanitarian award.


61 posted on 11/29/2006 7:06:15 AM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Well, considering the screening process at security, you might as well fly nekkid...less stuff to do in line at the security checkpoint.


62 posted on 11/29/2006 7:08:06 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: yankeedame

"Gee, the next thing you know ocean cruises wouldn't be as glamorous as those 1930s movies anymore."

Funny you should say that -- my husband and I went on our first cruise to Alaska this year. I was nervous about what to wear for "formal night", as they recommended a tux or suit for the men and a formal to semi-formal dress/outfit for the women. Formal night came, and my husband and I were all gussied up. I couldn't believe what I saw when we went in to dinner. Men in tee shirts and pants and women dressed the same. Unbelievable! And I was worried that we wouldn't be dressed fancy enough! Well, I guess the cruise line couldn't throw them overboard! LOL!


63 posted on 11/29/2006 7:09:37 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: sgtbono2002

I fly often, but love that feeling of smashed nether-regions once I stand up.

/sarc


64 posted on 11/29/2006 7:09:47 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: yankeedame

I'm sorry, I'm not wearing a tight, cramped uncomfortable suit when flying. That said, is jeans and a nice pullover shirt all that bad??


65 posted on 11/29/2006 7:13:26 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: fatnotlazy

First class is simply not available at many smaller airports these days, anyway.


66 posted on 11/29/2006 7:16:46 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: Wolfie; BritExPatInFla
I don't recline either. It's just rude, imnho. I am also a white-knuckle flier and keep my seat belt on during the entire flight.
67 posted on 11/29/2006 7:18:06 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: yankeedame
Being just a little sprout in the early 60's, my mom taking us to the airport to pick up my dad, the passengers looking like they just stepped off the set of "Father Knows Best" or "The Donna Reed Show", except not that casual.

Course those were the days when Dad wouldn't take his tie off when he got home from the office.

These airlines are going to kill themselves. People are already preferring to stay closer to home for a variety of reasons. For me, the biggest one is that flying is just such an unpleasant experience. I'll trade the time and drive now if I possibly can.

68 posted on 11/29/2006 7:18:40 AM PST by ichabod1 (Democracy = Anarchy)
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To: shrinkermd

Back when I was flying a little (pre 9/11), trying to carry-on everything for the trip was most of the problem.

It's funny to see a guy sitting there with his laptop case and laptop trying to squeeze-in "work". For most flights, you only have about 1-2 hours max of time you can work.

I'm 6-3, 300+ and flew coach. I never had big problems.


69 posted on 11/29/2006 7:21:23 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: fatnotlazy
"Never flew New Zealand Air, but I took British Airways (first class) once. Not only was it eminently comfortable, but the service in general was outstanding."

- I have a friend whose hobby is to take holidays all over the world. He swears that Cathay Pacific is the best airline he has ever flown.
70 posted on 11/29/2006 7:22:04 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Veggie Todd

Well, since the gestapo *has* to inspect your shoes, I think wearing flipflops expedites the process tremendously. And if anybody doesn't like it they can take it up with the gestapo.


71 posted on 11/29/2006 7:24:31 AM PST by ichabod1 (Democracy = Anarchy)
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To: RockinRight

First class is simply not available at many smaller airports these days, anyway.

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That's true -- especially with the influx of cut rate airlines.


72 posted on 11/29/2006 7:27:07 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: finnigan2

- I have a friend whose hobby is to take holidays all over the world. He swears that Cathay Pacific is the best airline he has ever flown.

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Hmmm....I'll have to check that one out someday. Also Singapore Airlines -- heard from several people that it's one of the best, if not the best.


73 posted on 11/29/2006 7:28:55 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: August West
I was thinking of the security aspects - keeping a minimal number of people in the aisles.
74 posted on 11/29/2006 7:31:23 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: fatnotlazy

At Akron-Canton airport in Akron, OH, the only airline with a business-class option is a discount airline (Airtran.)

The other carriers are simply codeshare airlines like Delta Express, US Airways Express etc. flying cramped regional jets.

I don't mind those actually, on a shorter flight, but longer flights, say over 2 hours, no way.


75 posted on 11/29/2006 7:31:40 AM PST by RockinRight (There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.)
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To: shrinkermd

For a good visual of Southwest's new seating plans, open up a can of sardines. Bon Appetite!


76 posted on 11/29/2006 7:32:33 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Sorry...but I think that is rude. When you recline, you are taking 4-5 inches of space from the passenger behind you. I had a "recliner" in front of me on Sunday...I had an indention from the bar in the magazine holder in my knees.

A few weeks ago...couldn't use my laptop because of a "recliner".

Still, I would not recline my seat and take that room from the person behind. With the lack of leg room...to me it is just rude to recline.

Sometimes you need to think about others.


77 posted on 11/29/2006 7:37:38 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: KsSunflower
"Sometimes you need to think about others."

It's an airline seat with specific expectations. Where are the considerations of these others for the "recliners"? It's a 2-way street.

78 posted on 11/29/2006 8:08:19 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (What up, my cracka? (Pass it on before Jeff Foxworthy wants to make it illegal!))
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To: RockinRight

Those "regional" planes can be a hoot. I have a friend who travels regularly from Pittsburgh to Allentown -- usually on a Saab. I never flew on a Saab, but my friend says the passengers have to be evenly distributed around the plane to keep it balanced. First time I heard that, I thought it was the funniest thing, but apparently, it's necessary on these small planes. In fact, nowadays, my friend says no one on her flight sits where they are assigned, and there are some flights where the passengers don't even get seat assignments. Since my friend is accustomed to this "balancing" maneuver now, she just instinctively heads for somewhere in the middle of the plane. Fortunately for my friend, the trip is short and she says often there are empty seats; so she tries to pick a "two seat" row where no one would be sitting next to her so she has an empty seat to spread out a little.


79 posted on 11/29/2006 8:11:56 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Veggie Todd
Interesting.... Even though I prefer my Teva sandals, I do wear shoes when I fly - just for that reason and usually stick with a pair of jeans. Hard to do in the Summer.

I'm amazed at the people that fly wearing flip-flops for shoes. Their feet would be cut to pieces if there was an emergency and we had to evacuate the plane.
80 posted on 11/29/2006 8:12:17 AM PST by CORedneck
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