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Trans Texas Corridor running around a town near you
McKinney Courier Gazette ^ | November 24, 2006 | Stefanie Ackerman

Posted on 11/25/2006 8:20:31 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The controversial Trans-Texas Corridor was a topic of discussion at the Plano Republican Women’s meeting Tuesday morning.

The group of politically motivated women listened and asked questions of Gov. Rick Perry’s transportation advisor, Kris Heckman.

It was confirmed by Heckman that the TTC’s outer loop will encompass Plano, something for which the Collin County Commissioner’s Court members have been lobbying. There is still much planning before the road is constructed and of use to drivers.

“This road is about economic development,” Heckman said.

TTC is a proposed multi-use, statewide network of transportation routes in Texas that will incorporate existing and new highways, railways and utility right-of-ways, Heckman said.

Specific routes for the TTC have not been determined. The proposal is 341 miles of a limited access toll road, which will stretch from the Oklahoma-Texas border south to San Antonio.

The road is just a road, said Heckman, and not an easier way for illegal immigrants to gain access into the U.S., or a means of making North America a super-sphere or encourage drug trafficking.

“This is to move traffic and goods quickly,” Heckman said.

The overly congested Interstate 35 is no longer a viable road for the nearly 10 million Texas residents that travel on and live near the interstate. A study from 1997 stated that I-35 would need 18 lanes by 2025 to accommodate all the traffic.

“Those things freaked everybody out,” Heckman said.

Perry presented his idea of the TTC starting in 2002, but only now that it’s on the road to fruition, has it become controversial. Heckman said it’s a valid criticism that the new road will take land away from private ownership, but state officials and residents need to learn from the mistakes of building I-35. Those mistakes, like not buying enough right away around I-35 for expansion and not planning for other modes of transportation to follow the interstate, are reasons the TTC needs to be built.

The TTC will not only be a limited access toll road, but Heckman said, there are plans to move railroad tracks along the highway and include infrastructure for miles of power, water, oil, broadband and transmission lines as well.

“We can provide with this new corridor a track system that is out of our cities,” Heckman said.

Plans call for the TTC to be completed in phases over the next 50 years with routes prioritized according to Texas’ transportation needs. TxDOT will oversee planning, construction and ongoing maintenance, although private vendors, Cintra Zachry, will be responsible for much of the daily operations. It will be toll road, Heckman said, and it is necessary for it to be built by private companies to ensure that it will be completed in a timely manor.

There are still two years of environmental study to be completed, which will determine the exact route of the road, Heckman said. The builders, Cintra Zachary LLP, said that within five years of the completion of the environmental study, a huge portion of the road can be built.

“We want to put as little tax dollars as possible to this project,” Heckman said.

The road will cost about $8 billion to complete, which will be made back through the tolls. No cost has been set concerning the tolls. The state will own the toll road in about 50 years, Heckman said. At that time, the state will decide if the road will stay or a toll or not.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cuespookymusic; dallas; dfw; doughnut; fortworth; i35; ih35; interstate35; loop9; metroplex; nctcog; northtexas; outerloop; rickperry; texas; tollroads; transtexascorridor; ttc; ttc35; tx; txdot
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Anything for our friends "south of the border."


41 posted on 11/25/2006 1:14:48 PM PST by BW2221
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To: hedgetrimmer
Well thats an outright lie!

"From each according to his means, to each according to his needs"

The state gas tax (what the users pay for the system) make up about 1/5 of the TxDOT budget. All taxpayers, without regard to whether they use the roads or not, pay for the rest.

And all homeowners pay for local streets and roads.

On the other hand, toll roads are a straight 'user pays' system. Don't want to pay to use Hardy? stay on 45. Don't want to pay to use Bush? Use 635.

Don't like toll roads? Stay off of them and see if you can bankrupt them.

42 posted on 11/25/2006 1:57:53 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Ben Ficklin
If this road were built as a free road

This road would never be built as a free road, because it is not designed for Americans to travel freely on it or use it. It is strictly business supply chain infrastructure, for use by foreign countries and corporations in a fascistic global partnership with corrupt American politicians.
43 posted on 11/25/2006 2:00:49 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Racehorse

Sorry, I didn't see your post in time, or I'd have addressed you in reply 42 as well.


44 posted on 11/25/2006 2:01:01 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Leisler

The same thing happened with the transcontinental Railroads. Until 1896 rails was the most important part of the economy.


45 posted on 11/25/2006 2:01:35 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: PAR35
toll roads are a straight 'user pays' system

Like heck they are. I don't know of any modern examples of businesses purchasing land outright to build their own toll roads. Your statement is a clear fabrication.
46 posted on 11/25/2006 2:02:59 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Citra pays for everything

LOLOLOL.
47 posted on 11/25/2006 2:03:45 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Ben Ficklin
There are only three options

A free road-- built and funded by ALL citizens for use by ALL citizens in the grand tradition of our republic

A govt built and operated toll road-- in the tradition of the socialist elites, to stop free travel by citizens and limit use of public roadways to those who have more disposable income, additionally adding to cost of goods for everyone delivered over these roads.

A privately built toll road-- no such animal. These roads are not built in this country without using the force of government for eminent domain.
48 posted on 11/25/2006 2:08:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: PAR35
Don't want to pay to use Hardy? stay on 45. Don't want to pay to use Bush? Use 635

And this is how the marginalization of our citizens begins. Big money foreign corporations limiting the choices of US citizens to move freely in their own country. Its just another day and another way to destroy the liberty of the American people. The globalists who have always hated American independence are slavering at the thought.
49 posted on 11/25/2006 2:13:12 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Obviously, it is the state's authority that is exercised over the hold-outs. But, as you already know, the land and the road are both owned by the state.


50 posted on 11/25/2006 2:14:12 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: hedgetrimmer

If you have sources that indicate otherwise, post them up so we can have a look at them.


51 posted on 11/25/2006 2:15:37 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: hedgetrimmer

Those are not private roads. They are govt toll roads.


52 posted on 11/25/2006 2:17:07 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: PAR35

No problem. Thanks.

You do realize your thinking labels any taxpayer funded public service communistic, including jails and courthouses? Not everybody uses either one, but taxpayers pay for both.

As far who really pays for the limited access to toll roads, I remain skeptical.


53 posted on 11/25/2006 2:17:24 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I don't know of any modern examples of businesses purchasing land outright to build their own toll roads.

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it isn't happening. While most of the NTTA RoW is donated, not purchased, the balance is bought.

Perhaps you might stick to posting on topics that you do know about, rather than engaging in emotional, name calling rants.

54 posted on 11/25/2006 2:17:40 PM PST by PAR35
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To: hedgetrimmer

The road will never be built as a free road because if they try to raise taxes to do that, there will be a rebellion.


55 posted on 11/25/2006 2:18:50 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
When the government began planning the Interstate system, I-45 was originally intended to run from Galveston, through Houston, and north to Huntsville. From there it was supposed to follow what is now SH-19 from Huntsville through Athens. At that point it would follow what is now US-175 Dallas.

Back in the 1940s and 50s Palestine. TX had a lot of political clout. It was both rich and influential, mainly due to the railroad. When it heard about the plans for the Interstate, the town leaders worried about the type of people a superhighway would attract: transients and drifters -- a 1960s version of the Dust Bowl Okies. Respectable people traveled by railroad, after all.

So they cashed in all of the political chips to get the highway rerouted through Buffalo, TX 30, miles west, instead. Palestine figured that moving the route though that hick rural town (as they saw it) would improve the quality of people visiting both cities.

By now we know the rest of the story. Passenger rail died and Palestine found itself half an hour from the nearest Interstate. It withered into a quaint little town that time forgot. Visiting it is like going back in time 40 years.

Transportation makes and breaks communities. You can ignore that if you want to -- but you risk finding your community cut off from the main.
56 posted on 11/25/2006 2:26:30 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Racehorse
including jails and courthouses?

Every day that I don't get mugged, I'm using the jails and prisons to keep proven criminal away from me. Courthouses are used by anyone who owns real property or wants to get married. While there are elements of socialism in both institutions, there is also a large element of 'user pays'. The clerk's office should be entirely fee - supported, for example. (You should use public libraries as an example. There's a municipal institution where the users are insulated from the budget.)

A better counter arguement for my initial point would be that everyone but a self - sustaining ex-hippie uses the highway system to get food and other goods from farmers, factories, and importers.

57 posted on 11/25/2006 2:36:20 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
the balance is bought

Why don't you post the relevant materials that demonstrate this. Don't forget that lands condemned by eminent domain are 'bought' so your argument really doesn't mean a thing.
58 posted on 11/25/2006 4:14:08 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Racehorse

Here is a link to the only contract currently signed with Centra/Zachry for the construction of SH 130, Segments 5 & 6. Go to section 7 and it details the revenue sharing schedule..... Sec. 7 begins on about page 79 of the link.

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/publications/tta/sh130_bk1_fac_conc_agrmt_exh01-24_062906.pdf


59 posted on 11/25/2006 4:17:27 PM PST by deport
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This corridor should be extended across Alaska and all the way to Beijing.


60 posted on 11/25/2006 4:18:52 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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