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Giuliani Cannot Win in 2008
SeaMax News ^ | 11/24/2006 | Fr. Michael Reilly

Posted on 11/24/2006 8:29:23 AM PST by Milltownmalbay

Conventional wisdom indicates that if only Rudy Giuliani could clear the insurmountable hurdle of the Republican primaries and convention, he could be a formidable presidential candidate.

Polling data indicates that the opposite is true. Whether Republicans eager for a win after a bruising midterm election will reluctantly nominate Giuliani is one thing. The fact that he cannot win the general election is quite another.

Gallup polling prior to the 2004 presidential election confirms what many previous polls have indicated: a pro-life position helps Republicans. When factored into a close election, that help is the difference between winning and losing.

When asked by Gallup simply whether they regard themselves as pro-life or pro-choice, pro-choice wins by a margin of 52 – 41. When asked whether they would vote for a candidate who was pro-life, only 10% of pro-choicers said no. When asked the same question in reverse, 30% of pro-lifers said no.

In other words, while pro-choicers outnumbers pro-lifers, pro-lifers vote are three times as likely to vote the issue. When Gallup factored those numbers back into presidential categories, they found that 25% of the people who were planning to vote for Bush were self-described single issue pro-life voters. Only 11% of Kerry’s supporters were committed firmly to voting for a pro-choice candidate.

If we factor those numbers into the number of people who actually voted for Bush, it means that about fifteen million (out of sixty million) Republican voters have said that they would not vote for a pro-choice candidate. Admittedly, many when faced with the possibility of Hillary, might feel compelled to vote for Giuliani.

But when the President only won by four million votes, any Giuliani strategist needs to consider that his position on abortion will alienate fifteen million Republican voters. Add to that his positions on guns, gay marriage, and partial birth abortion, and you have a recipe for disaster.

In the 2004, Osama bin Ladin released a threatening video tape aimed at influencing the American elections the weekend before the election and the top concern of voters in election polls was moral issues.

Giuliani Republicans are counting on the fact that pro-lifers will reluctantly support Giuliani rather than allow another Clinton presidency. What they fail to realize is that many pro-lifers may just sit this one out, believing that they have no horse in the race.

Even worse for Giuliani, many pro-lifers may believe that it would be better to lose one presidential election than to end up with both major national parties supporting abortion on demand.

In any case, Giuliani has a problem with fifteen million of the voters he needs to win the in 2008.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; cons4hillary; duncanhunternobody; electionpresident; giuliani; lamenewssource; republicans; seamonkeynews; whoisseamax
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1 posted on 11/24/2006 8:29:26 AM PST by Milltownmalbay
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To: Milltownmalbay

So much for the name recognition crowd in my Duncan Hunter thread.


2 posted on 11/24/2006 8:30:52 AM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRES. 2008)
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To: Milltownmalbay

39.8% of Freepers don't care that Rudy is a pro-abort, anti-2A, pro-homo, New York liberal.


3 posted on 11/24/2006 8:33:19 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Milltownmalbay
What they fail to realize is that many pro-lifers MAY just sit this one out, believing that they have no horse in the race.



Since his whole argument boils down to that sentence and that word I'll fix the headline of the article.

Guliani MAY not win in 2008.

There fixed it.
4 posted on 11/24/2006 8:33:41 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Milltownmalbay

I don't particularly care for Rudy, but if it came to a choice between him and Hillary I would hold my nose and vote for him.


5 posted on 11/24/2006 8:35:31 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Milltownmalbay

Abortion as a non issue by Michael Barone

http://jewishworldreview.com/michael/barone112206.php3


6 posted on 11/24/2006 8:36:18 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I've held my nose for the past 12 years.

Nothing new here.


7 posted on 11/24/2006 8:36:36 AM PST by Wormwood (deeply religious non-believer)
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To: Milltownmalbay

Rudy or Hillary, take your pick.


8 posted on 11/24/2006 8:37:05 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: Blackirish

When I read this kind of article, my first reaction is to say, "bite me." But I know that's rude, so I just ignore the whole thing.


9 posted on 11/24/2006 8:37:12 AM PST by zook (America going insane - "Do you read Sutter Caine?)
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To: Milltownmalbay

Why does Pro Abortion Catholics consistently win elections to the Senate?

Why does the Catholic Cardinals by their silence to Catholic Pro Abortion Senators give tacit approval to their Pro Abortion Activities?


10 posted on 11/24/2006 8:37:17 AM PST by ethics
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To: Milltownmalbay

Rudy's defatco attack on the rights of the unborn and gun grabbing rhetoric are negatives for me.


11 posted on 11/24/2006 8:38:18 AM PST by mr_hammer (Pro-life, Pro-gun, Pro-military, Pro-borders, Limited Govn't will win in 08!)
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To: Milltownmalbay
When factored into a close election

If Giuliani is the nominee, it won't be a close election. Particularly not where it counts. He will rack up electoral votes.

12 posted on 11/24/2006 8:40:35 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Milltownmalbay
Young voters in the recent elections tilted overwhelmingly Democrat.

The single-issue crowd is not doing anybody any favors by poisoning a GOP candidate with cross-party appeal.

13 posted on 11/24/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by Wormwood (deeply religious non-believer)
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To: greasepaint
Pick Rudy and you'll get Hillary.

Your vote for Rudy will not be enough to offset the non-votes of social conservatives who stay home.

Save the rant, you're not going to scare them into choosing between two unrepentant social liberals.

14 posted on 11/24/2006 8:42:55 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Milltownmalbay

This isn't extended news, it is an editorial.


15 posted on 11/24/2006 8:44:26 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: mr_hammer

Time to face reality. Hilary will be the next POTUS ... and the far-right will be as responsible for getting her elected as will Democrats.


16 posted on 11/24/2006 8:44:57 AM PST by Carolyn826
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To: Wormwood

Republican presidential candidates do not win by trying to appeal to social liberals.


17 posted on 11/24/2006 8:46:14 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Milltownmalbay
IMO I feel that Rudy would be a good choice for the Republican Presidential candidate. I feel that the Republicans are not doing enough for the moderate vote. I know that a lot of folks at this site don't care for moderates, but you got to face reality, they are out there, and they do vote.
18 posted on 11/24/2006 8:46:53 AM PST by hodaka
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To: Carolyn826
Hillary will surely be the next POTUS if Republicans run a social liberal against her.

There is time to avoid that debacle.

19 posted on 11/24/2006 8:48:09 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Wormwood

The single-issue crowd is not doing anybody any favors by poisoning a GOP candidate with cross-party appeal.



Yes but what if it is you number one issue???? For me, it is more important than anything and I am relatively young (in 30's). I can't bring myself to vote for a pro-choice President. I guess I might have in Bush I because I thought he was pro-life, but found out later that I was wrong. There is no way I will vote for a pro-choice candidate. No reason for that. Do we kill out the next generation??????


20 posted on 11/24/2006 8:48:13 AM PST by napscoordinator
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