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To: My Favorite Headache; wideawake; Coleus; Salvation
Knowing what the Vatican turned their heads to in WW2 and what was happening with Jews..

Don't go down that road with me buddy. That's a liberal myth perpetuated by those who hate the Catholic Church for other reasons, but see this as one of the best means of discrediting it. It is believed by those who confuse the Pope for a political leader, instead of a spiritual one. Pope Pius XII didn't have an army, and he was situated in the middle of a fascist allied country. His hand was not completely free. Catholicism was savagely perseucted in Germany and Eastern Europe, and in Spain during their own facist experience. That being said, after the war his efforts were widely credited for saving over one million Jews by Holocaust survivors and Isreali diplomats, including Albert Einstein and Golda Meir. You've been misinformed and are barking up the wrong tree with that one.

25 posted on 11/24/2006 8:36:02 AM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: presidio9
Don't go down that road with me buddy. That's a liberal myth perpetuated by those who hate the Catholic Church for other reasons, but see this as one of the best means of discrediting it

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Exactly right. How many times have we seen this tired old charge made on these threads?

After a while, it's a toss-up as to whether it's annoying or laughable.

29 posted on 11/24/2006 8:42:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: presidio9; My Favorite Headache

Religion was persecuted in Spain by the Communists and anarchists, not by the fascists (Franco's party). Incidentally, after the Spanish Civil War, under Franco, Spain took in more Jews than just about any other country. Franco believed that they were the people of Jesus Christ and that therefore they were our people, too, and they deserved protection. And guess who said, "we are all spiritually Semites": Pius XII. This was basically Franco's inspiration.


34 posted on 11/24/2006 8:52:18 AM PST by livius
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