Posted on 11/23/2006 1:21:35 PM PST by FairOpinion
In cruising to a 17-point re-election victory this month over Democrat Phil Angelides, the governor received 39 percent of their vote, according to exit polling done for The Bee.
That threshold has not been reached by a GOP gubernatorial candidate in California since 1990.
State Sens. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks, and Chuck Poochigian, R-Fresno, tallied only 23 percent and 20 percent of the Latino vote, respectively, in their losing bids for lieutenant governor and attorney general.
Running against the state's high-ranking Latino officeholder, Poizner -- a social moderate who spent more than $13 million of his fortune on his campaign -- received 35 percent of the Latino vote, according to GOP pollster Steve Kinney.
For the GOP to hold on to the Governor's Office in 2010, after the centrist Schwarzenegger moves on, Republicans may have to turn to a candidate who is more like Poizner and less like McClintock and Poochigian.
No GOP candidate for governor since the 1970s has won in California without getting at least one-third of the Latino vote.
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It is the illegal immigrant that is the problem. We all love legal immigrants.
LOL! FO, you are the new Dane. Give us a break.
Moving from the right to the center is an endless shuffle to the left.
What needs to be done is to start movement in this country to the right, not to the left.
There is no "center." - Movement by the GOP to the left makes them irrelevant to the conservative base. And that = Whigs.
But even that isn't completely true. Sure, Hispanic families that have been here for generations do often represent the best type of values.
But the influx of lawbreakers, gang activity and Latinos having the highest spike of out of wedlock births and the highest drop out rate from high school shows that they simply do not have the values of which you speak.
The illegitimate birth rate is extremely high in Mexico and El Salvador as well, so it's not merely the corrupting influence of American culture. MS-13 was IMPORTED here, again--it wasn't US gang culture that made them.
Meanwhile, Japanese-Americans are even less likely to commit a crime than Japanese themselves. The problem with illegal immigration isn't the legality of it, but the cultural degeneration brought by wave after wave of unassimilable immigrants. There's a reason at the local level there have been so many anti-illegal measures at the local level--because the feds and state governments won't do anything about REAL problems caused by the inundation of immigration from THird World countries.
This thing about Latinos having Republican values is a myth. Blacks often have the same values but it is a totem these days as the "old culture" has been replaced by something far worse.
Indeed. Heather MacDonald at the City Journal has a bunch of great articles (the most recent was a knock out) about how it IS NOT the fact that the immigration is ILLegal that is the problem (though it should be something we address) it's the nature of the immigrants and their imported culture that is the problem.
No one has a problem with those illegal Irish and Chinese that are here (and they aren't here in quite the same numbers.) I don't see many Chinese immigrants hanging actresses in their bathrooms or raping girls or forming gangs that prey on people outside their community and form identity politics groups that attempt to take this country for their own.
I don't press 1 on my phone to avoid hearing Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean or any other language (except Spanish.)
It seems like opposition to illegal immigration is misinterpreted by even citizens of Latin descent as opposition to their own presence and citizenship.
I think they believe opposition to illegal immigration is due to racism, and they are against that.
How would you go about counteracting that attitude?
We're looking at a real political problem here, and we can't wish it away by saying that we just oppose illegals and not existing citizens. Obviously the existing citizens feel opposed by what's being said.
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Oh, goodie. So if Republicans bring in more Democrat voters, they can get 39% of their vote in Cali. Is that really the tactic you want to take here? The end result is the GOP loses. Until you can demonstrate the GOP cracking 50% LEGAL Hispanics and not losing "blue dog" voters which traditionally are union, conservative, white and Protestant/Catholic and are forced to compete with these illegals for jobs...you have nothing.
You actually have less then nothing. Because if those illegals are rewarded with citizenship their numbers will make some districts permently Dem that now go GOP or are swing.
Far be it from me, though, to crack any thick skull that fails to understand they are engineering conservatism and the GOP's demise with importing socialistic voters with low job skills and education predisposed to Democrats. If by now anyone is too stupid to understand that, they deserve what they'll get.
Also, Newsflash- Arnold is a Liberal and a "Star". That celebrity played a big part in why he was elected. If he was simply a Liberal pro-open borders Republican, he'd have probably lost. People spinning open borders as responsible for his win are desperate. Evidenced by the fact they cite a pathetic 39% as a moral victory.
Legal Hispanics have been polled and they favor enforcement. They are smart enough to see how continued illegal immigration is going to screw-up the good thing they had going.
The open borders types and the Democrats cause the misinterpretation on purpose.
Pandering to Hispanics isn't going to solve the problem or help the country.
The administration lost this election and they want amnesty. Go figure.
I think they believe opposition to illegal immigration is due to racism, and they are against that.
How would you go about counteracting that attitude?
I think you're right about that, and honestly, I don't know how you deal with people who are immersed in ideas of victimology and make all kinds of demands and even threats.
I just know that I don't like kissing behinds and pandering to people. It simply isn't in my nature.
Do all Mexican chicks get fat as they get older?
I don't know how old this one is either.
According to that tee shirt, she's willing to do anybody and everybody!
I agree that Pete Wilson seriously mishandled the immigrant issue, and the Republicans were punished as a result.
I think it may be possible to differentiate between Latinos who are here legally or are citizens, and illegal immigrants who sponge off the system.
Pete Wilson was not a social conservative. He took up Prop 187 because he thought it would be popular and get him reelected, and I think was seen as an opportunist.
Maybe it's not possible to be conservative and appeal to Latinos, but I would hope their family values could be appealed to. I agree that politicians need to do what they need to do to get elected. But if what they need to do goes past a certain point and becomes fundamentally destructive, then what's the point of getting elected, other than sheer greed or egotism?
They voted for him bc he's a BIG STAH. I mean I like him, but it's STAR POWER that got him elected.
None of the other Repubs won.
Illegal immigration is KILLING OUR STATE AND COUNTRY. The REASON the right can't win is because illegals have invaded California and are turning it into Mexico.
And President Bush wants MORE of them in here. Way TO KILL the Republican Party!
Most do.
Just the whole Democratic Party!
True. So the Republican Party needs to appoint only 100% pro-life judges and establish vouchers for private (including religious) schools.
"What lesson? That if you take the low road, sell long term bonds to pay for current expenses, and bankrupt the future of your state, people will love you in the short run? We already knew that about California."
Exactly. This is now true of American politics in general, btw. California is leading the way, as usual, for the rest of the U.S.
Yes, the GOP needs Latino voters - also white voters and black voters.
Illegal alines don't vote, and by and large, Latino-American citizens don't support illegal invaders.
Sweatshop employers and Democrats who register them illegally do.
And whose border policies have helped them?
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