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Student admits having bullets (Massachusetts anti-gun hysteria lesson)
Worcester (MA) Telegram and Gazette ^ | 11/23/06 | Fortier

Posted on 11/23/2006 9:21:01 AM PST by pabianice

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To: pabianice

Sounds like chemical castration is in order for this savage inhuman beast.


61 posted on 11/23/2006 11:15:54 AM PST by Modok
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To: Farmer Dean
Isn't it a shame that the authorities have lost all sense of proportionality.

Keep in mind that the search and lockdown was done before the boy came forward and admitted ownership of the rounds.

As much as I hate this state I live in and all the anti-firearms BS and hysteria here...my opinion is that the LEOs acted appropriately given the information they had at the time.

62 posted on 11/23/2006 11:19:56 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to include the sarcasm tag?)
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To: pabianice
Chief Sluckis, who met yesterday morning with Ms. Skrzyniarz and Mrs. Ortiz, said a person convicted of possessing ammunition without an FID card could face a year in prison and a $500 fine.

Judges just can't read simple late 18th century English anymore.

"“The people have a right to keep and bear arms for the common defense. Massachusetts Declaration of Rights, Article 17."

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. Amendment II, Constitution for the United States. (version from Library of Congress, Statutes at Large, 1st Congress, 1st Session.

63 posted on 11/23/2006 11:24:07 AM PST by El Gato
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To: pabianice; y'all

"-- Chief Sluckis, who met yesterday morning with Ms. Skrzyniarz and Mrs. Ortiz, said a person convicted of possessing ammunition without an FID card could face a year in prison and a $500 fine. --"


This case would be a great opportunity to fight the constitutionality of this 'law'.. -- Where is the NRA when we need them?


64 posted on 11/23/2006 11:25:27 AM PST by tpaine
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To: pabianice
10 to 12 “state and mostly local” police officers had arrived.

For TWO(2) .22 cartridges.

Oh Boy... Sigh.

65 posted on 11/23/2006 11:26:30 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Homeschooling is the only answer as you will never save the schools and they are only going to get worse. Apparently, they are all set to enforce al Qadda rules. Next thing you know the girls will have to start wearing veils.
66 posted on 11/23/2006 11:29:08 AM PST by Cowgirl
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To: skyman
The rest of the students will need psychological counseling for life to overcome this tramatic event.

Actually they might. Not because of the .22 rounds. But because of being subject to such indignities as a personal search, when they had not done anything at all, and no one had done anything truly wrong. No harm was intended, no harm was caused, thus no real crime (malum in se) had been committed.

67 posted on 11/23/2006 11:32:27 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Keep in mind that the search and lockdown was done before the boy came forward and admitted ownership of the rounds.
As much as I hate this state I live in and all the anti-firearms BS and hysteria here...my opinion is that the LEOs acted appropriately given the information they had at the time.

Do you really contend that a couple of .22 rimfire rounds are 'dangerous' enough to justify the search & lockdown?

68 posted on 11/23/2006 11:33:57 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Chewie84
Well, to the best of my knowledge, it's always been illegal to bring weapons to school,

Your knowledge is extremely limited, either in time or place.

Many schools had rifle ranges. Mine did, but a little before my time, by the time I got there (1964) it had been converted for other uses. (My Dad went there too!).

In other places it was routine for kids to bring their rifles or shotguns to school, to allow a bit of plinking or hunting before or after school.

I never took a weapon to school, but I did ride down a major arterial street with a shotgun across the handlebars. This was in the second largest city in the state .

69 posted on 11/23/2006 11:41:57 AM PST by El Gato
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To: pabianice

My Highschool had an armory for the JROTC. LOL


70 posted on 11/23/2006 11:43:19 AM PST by Ajnin (I)
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To: tpaine
Do you really contend that a couple of .22 rimfire rounds are 'dangerous' enough to justify the search & lockdown?

No I do not. Two rounds by themselves are not what I would consider dangerous to the point of a lockdown and search. That would make no sense even in this loony bin of a Commonwealth.
The possibility of someone finding more and mishandling them was not why the lock down and search was initiated.
I'm certain that the authorities were not sure if they had someone inside the school hunkered down awaiting the next bell to release students from class.
Someone who had happened to drop a couple of rounds of ammo from his ample supply. At the time, this possibility had to have been what motivated them to lockdown and search the premises.

Would you have taken the chance that this was not the case?

71 posted on 11/23/2006 11:49:14 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to include the sarcasm tag?)
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To: pabianice

There was a time that the rifle team bought their arms to school, or hunters fo afterschool use. The weapons have remain relatively the same, but the vaklues the teachers instill have not. And that's the "root cause" of the problem.


72 posted on 11/23/2006 11:54:04 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Would you have taken the chance that this was not the case?

In some places that would result in school being locked down on a weekly basis. Look at it this way, would some wacko out to harm students, staff or teachers equip themselves with a .22? Get real.

73 posted on 11/23/2006 1:00:54 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Farmer Dean
Isn't it a shame that the authorities have lost all sense of proportionality.

There, fixed that puppy.

74 posted on 11/23/2006 1:16:03 PM PST by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Do you really contend that a couple of .22 rimfire rounds are 'dangerous' enough to justify the search & lockdown?

No I do not. Two rounds by themselves are not what I would consider dangerous to the point of a lockdown and search. That would make no sense even in this loony bin of a Commonwealth.
The possibility of someone finding more and mishandling them was not why the lock down and search was initiated.

Thanks for your agreement.

I'm certain that the authorities were not sure if they had someone inside the school hunkered down awaiting the next bell to release students from class. Someone who had happened to drop a couple of rounds of ammo from his ample supply.
At the time, this possibility had to have been what motivated them to lockdown and search the premises.
Would you have taken the chance that this was not the case?

As principle, I would never have called in the cops to begin with, and imo, both school and law authorities overreacted in trying to purchase a little temporary safety.
Those who give up our essential liberties because of imagined dangers are far more dangerous than armed madmen. -- In fact they are [gov't] armed madmen.

75 posted on 11/23/2006 1:27:26 PM PST by tpaine
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To: pabianice
Beam me up.

FMCDH(BITS)

76 posted on 11/23/2006 2:52:49 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: tpaine; El Gato
...both school and law authorities overreacted in trying to purchase a little temporary safety.

Possibly overreacted. Possibly.
In my estimation, they weren't trying to purchase a little temporary safety. They were preparing to get assets in place should a situation arise where students and faculty could have been put at grave risk.

I don't totally agree with the level of the reaction by the LEOs...but I do understand why they did it. That is all I am saying.

Also...a .22 calibre handgun or rifle might not have been the only weapon in play. They didn't know.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were heavily armed during their little foray.
Because of them we have these knee jerk types of reaction...especially in Blue Country.

77 posted on 11/23/2006 3:16:02 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to include the sarcasm tag?)
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To: Disambiguator

Most likely nothing will come of this. However, given the rage with which the general public attacks school systems when a Columbine like tragedy occurs, if ammunition is found in a school, then it has to be investigated. The bullets could have been dropped while loading a gun, and other students could have been involved, before the investigation found out otherwise. I think it was perfectly prudent to investigate the incident with seriousness.


78 posted on 11/23/2006 5:43:41 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Greystoke

Of course, given that you and your friends were raised properly, none of you ever considered shooting up the school. Sadly, that isn't always the case now with the prevailing hip-hop culture.


79 posted on 11/23/2006 5:45:22 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Cowgirl

Only 65 posts before this incident was held up as another reason for homeschooling. Amazing!


80 posted on 11/23/2006 5:49:51 PM PST by SALChamps03
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