Posted on 11/22/2006 11:33:43 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
The Proper Role of Government [in self defense]
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Lots of good home defense advice here on FR for the Irish to review!
I personally wouldn't ask Bertie permission to shoot a burgular! (I know, I'm in an extremist mood tonight! ;))
"Surely, though, this common sense discussion will be the source of endless condemnation in the British MSM."
I doubt the 'British MSM' will spare too much space to discuss a proposed law in Ireland tbh.
"it is important to ensure that all those acting reasonably and in good faith to defend themselves, their family, their property or in the prevention of crime or the apprehension of offenders are not prosecuted for such action"
"Prosecutors should exercise particular care when assessing the reasonableness of the force used in those cases in which the alleged victim was, or believed by the accused to have been, at the material time, engaged in committing a crime. A witness to violent crime with a continuing threat of violence may well be justified in using extreme force to remove a threat of further violence.
In assessing whether it was necessary to use force, prosecutors should bear in mind the period of time in which the person had to decide whether to act against another who he/she thought to be committing an offence."
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section5/chapter_d.html
For example if a person breaks into your house and he has a weapon (knife gun club etc) and you shoot him, and he falls down incapacitated, and is no longer a threat, you should be in good stead. But if you go over and shoot him again, you might have gone too far. - tom
There is law, and there is "THE LAW", the one that has existed since before the invention, of any government, by men. Defense of family, friends, then myself, then property, is something I WILL undertake, without wasting time on legal nuance. I am not likely to dial 911, and wait, for government instructions.
One thing I count on is that the UK will screw up on this issue, once again, rather than allow anyone, to ever suspect, that they can survive, without the wisdom and protection of the King! I know why all my European ancestors got kicked out, and over here, they got fed up with all the old world crap!
"One thing I count on is that the UK will screw up on this issue, once again, rather than allow anyone, to ever suspect, that they can survive, without the wisdom and protection of the King!"
The article is referring to Ireland, not the UK.
Is encouraging him to get up off limits too? You know, get up so I can shoot him again.
What about emptying the weapon before he hits the floor. Would five hits be counted as self defense? That's the other option so you don't have to encourage him to get up, make darn sure he is going down and going to stay down.
After centuries of UK domination, is there that much difference? This is a simple issue, not a matter for debate, except by politicians, with a tendency toward tyranny.
"After centuries of UK domination, is there that much difference?"
I guess I'll let one of the Irish Freepers answer that!
What about emptying the weapon before he hits the floor. Would five hits be counted as self defense? That's the other option so you don't have to encourage him to get up, make darn sure he is going down and going to stay down.
These are the things that jurys have to decide.
One advantage of a lone dead intruder in your home is the police only get your side of the story. - tom
"I guess I'll let one of the Irish Freepers answer that"!
"Really, why should self defense ever be an item of debate, anywhere?"
The debate seems to be concerning how to frame the wording of the law. I don't see anybody arguing that there should be no right to self-defense. There's probably someone somewhere, if you look hard enough.
"Exactly what is the problem with this concept of defending one's home and family"?
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