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VA: More Limits Sought On Civilians' Guns
Washington Post ^ | 11/21/06 | Bill Turque

Posted on 11/22/2006 10:21:02 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Stung by the shooting deaths of two officers outside a western Fairfax County police station in May, county officials want to push the Virginia General Assembly to ban the carrying of guns into law enforcement buildings by anyone other than authorized personnel.

State law bans weapons in courthouses. But the absence of any prohibition on weapons inside police stations or jails places officers at risk, county officials say. At the request of Fairfax County Police Chief David M. Rohrer, the Board of Supervisors has included a ban in a draft of its legislative program for the 2007 Virginia General Assembly.

The county has made numerous attempts to keep firearms out of government buildings, only to see the initiatives languish in a state legislature loath to restrict the rights of gun owners. But the issue has gained new urgency since the May 8 shootings at the Sully District station in Chantilly.

Michael W. Kennedy, a mentally ill 18-year-old, drove to the rear parking lot of the station and fired more than 70 shots with an assault rifle and other weapons. Detective Vicky O. Armel, 40, died that day, along with Kennedy. Officer Michael E. Garbarino, 53, died of his wounds nine days later.

Mary Ann Jennings, a Fairfax police spokeswoman, said Rohrer would not comment on the proposal, the subject of a public hearing before the board yesterday, because it is still in draft form and has not been formally approved by supervisors.

The Sully shooting touched off an intense discussion among county officials about security at public-safety facilities. The measure has stirred opposition by gun rights groups. Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said such a ban would not have prevented Kennedy's assault on the Sully station, which occurred outside the building.

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1 posted on 11/22/2006 10:21:03 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

The Sully shooting touched off an intense discussion among county officials about security at public-safety facilities. The measure has stirred opposition by gun rights groups. Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said such a ban would not have prevented Kennedy's assault on the Sully station, which occurred outside the building.


'nuff said


2 posted on 11/22/2006 10:23:54 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: kiriath_jearim
Stung by the shooting deaths of two officers outside a western Fairfax County police station in May, county officials want to push the Virginia General Assembly to ban the carrying of guns into law enforcement buildings by anyone other than authorized personnel.

strange logic - a shooting death outside the building, so ban guns inside the building

3 posted on 11/22/2006 10:25:01 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: Cinnamon

Did the shooter have a carry permit? if not, I don't see their point. do they have one?


4 posted on 11/22/2006 10:25:07 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: kiriath_jearim

I doubt that banning guns in the building would have stopped this particular crime. Having said that, I think it's pretty bone-headed to allow people to carry guns into a courthouse or a police station. You'd think they'd have banned that years ago.


5 posted on 11/22/2006 10:25:31 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: kiriath_jearim
Stung by the shooting deaths of two officers outside a western Fairfax County police station in May, county officials want to push the Virginia General Assembly to ban the carrying of guns into law enforcement buildings by anyone other than authorized personnel.

Yeah! You go, boys! A ban like that surely would have stopped the murderous thug dead in his tracks, being the kind of guy to follow the rules and all.

* sigh *

6 posted on 11/22/2006 10:26:12 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Public officials don't trust law-abiding citizens. Their solution is to billy club them into complete submission.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

7 posted on 11/22/2006 10:26:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jack Wilson
Stung by the shooting deaths of two officers outside a western Fairfax County police station in May, county officials want to push the Virginia General Assembly to ban the carrying of guns into law enforcement buildings by anyone other than authorized personnel.

I suppose that, up until now, shooting a police officer outside a police station has been legal?

8 posted on 11/22/2006 10:29:57 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: TChris
I am sure he paid his parking meter on time and had car insurance...most criminals follow the law..we should not discriminate against criminals cause some break the law
9 posted on 11/22/2006 10:30:36 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: Brilliant

Last time I went to a courthouse they wouldn't let my mini-Leatherman through the magnetic scanners. The blade on it was less than two inches.

Of course she let my large hardback book (unscanned and un-opened - and large enough to hold a pistol and a magazine or two...). And she let other folks umbrellas through; a good umbrella IS a deadly weapon, even if you ignore what can be hidden in one.

Frankly, if the cops can't defend their stations or the courthouses, they need to look for new jobs. They don't need new laws.


10 posted on 11/22/2006 10:31:45 AM PST by Little Ray
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To: Cinnamon
...a mentally ill 18-year-old...

There it is. The law cannot protect you from someone who is insane or hell bent on destruction. We have nothing to fear from sane, respectable adults. I dare any lawmaker to claim that they can craft a law that would have prevented this tragedy, outside of total confiscation, and then there's the people who don't obey laws in the first place........

11 posted on 11/22/2006 10:33:44 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Rakkasan1

"Did the shooter have a carry permit? "

He used a long gun of some kind.


12 posted on 11/22/2006 10:34:04 AM PST by angkor
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To: Brilliant
I think it's pretty bone-headed to allow people to carry guns into a courthouse or a police station.

Carry in courthouses is already banned. It's not in police stations because in northern VA they're often co-located with other county facilities, meetings rooms, conference rooms, etc. In fact, VCDL meetings are held in one such facility, and have been for years with no problems.

And, as has already been pointed out, the proposed ordinance wouldn't have done a thing to prevent the attack that occurred at the Sully station anyway.

13 posted on 11/22/2006 10:35:26 AM PST by gieriscm
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To: kiriath_jearim
county officials want to push the Virginia General Assembly to ban the carrying of guns into law enforcement buildings by anyone other than authorized personnel

Wait...I just thought of something! Why don't we...BAN ALL CRIME?!? OMG I'm a genius!
14 posted on 11/22/2006 10:36:39 AM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: kiriath_jearim

Isn't it already against the law to shoot people?


15 posted on 11/22/2006 10:38:26 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: goldstategop

"Public officials don't trust law-abiding citizens."

Unfortunately Fairfax County has been the ongoing opponent of 2nd Amendment rights for many years. Fairfax - and only Fairfax - had been the opponent of CCW in all county buildings, until they were booted out of court and the state legislature finally re-asserted its sovereignty by statute over all statewide gun laws.


16 posted on 11/22/2006 10:39:14 AM PST by angkor
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To: TeenagedConservative

You are a genius.

Repeal all laws immediately!

Crime will disappear overnight.


17 posted on 11/22/2006 10:39:28 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: Little Ray

"if the cops can't defend their stations or the courthouses, they need to look for new jobs."

That's a bit harsh. This loser just drove into the parking lot and starting shooting. There's not a lot you can do to stop that (short of having an entry gate).


18 posted on 11/22/2006 10:41:28 AM PST by angkor
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To: kiriath_jearim; patton

i remember this well. it happened just down the street from
our son's girlfriends house.

this proposal wouldn't have made a difference in this crime
though. labeled as "mentally ill" this kid was outside the
police station, standing in their parking, lot when he shot
and killed the two officers.


19 posted on 11/22/2006 10:41:43 AM PST by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: angkor
Well, life is harsh. And maybe they should have a gate, at least to the officer's parking lot, so that assassins and nutballs can't loiter there to ambush cops.
However, the solution is NOT more laws. Especially silly ones that don't even address the issue (how does banning guns in buildings address a parking lot shooting?).
20 posted on 11/22/2006 10:47:55 AM PST by Little Ray
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