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Scientists Want More Ethanol Research
Forbes ^ | 11.17.06 | AMY LORENTZEN

Posted on 11/18/2006 5:09:31 PM PST by thackney

To ensure there's enough corn to fuel humans as well as vehicles, scientists are urging more research into boosting corn yields and improving ethanol production.

Many key issues related to expanding the nation's ethanol industry aren't being studied under current government programs, said Kenneth G. Cassman, director of the Nebraska Center for Energy Sciences at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

"It's the core issue to ensuring that we don't come up short in food supply, and don't have high consumer prices, and can still maintain expansion of the ethanol industry," he said.

Cassman is co-author of "Convergence of Agriculture and Energy: Implications for Research and Policy," a study released Tuesday by the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology, an international consortium of 38 scientific and professional societies.

"The main thing that we all have to be aware of is the complexity of the feed, food and fuel interaction, and how policy and research have to be conducted in a very conscientious fashion, or we are going to have ourselves out of balance," said John M. Bonner, director of the Iowa-based consortium.

Lester Brown, founder of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank, and a vocal opponent of ethanol, said many of the poorest countries around the world that use corn as a food staple will have to compete for supplies gobbled up by ethanol production. They'll also pay more because of increases in corn prices, which he said have climbed 40 percent this year.

For U.S. consumers, Brown said, the price of animal products - meat, eggs, cheese and dairy products - will increase if livestock operations have to pay more for feed.

"We used to have a food economy and an energy economy. Now you can't draw a line between them anymore," he said.

Since January 2001, U.S. ethanol production has grown dramatically, climbing from 1.7 billion gallons to 4.8 billion gallons in June 2006, according to the report.

"Some in the corn industry believe it will be possible to produce 16 billion gallons of ethanol by 2015 while also meeting corn grain requirements for human food and livestock feed," the report said.

But in some areas, including northwestern Iowa, the ethanol industry is already using up much of the available corn, Bonner said. In turn, that can pressure the livestock industry.

"It puts quite a strain on the livestock industry ... because of the amounts they can use and the sensitivity to corn price," he said.

A byproduct of ethanol production called distiller's grains can be used as feed, but experts say it isn't the best source of food for some livestock, including poultry and swine.

Other considerations, the scientists say, are the effects of ethanol production on the economy and the environment.

"We have abruptly entered a new era for agriculture that no one predicted," Cassman said. "That is an era where the value of agriculture and its commodities are being determined more by the price of energy than by the value of commodities for food or feedstock."

Matt Hartwig, a spokesman for the Renewable Fuels Association, which represents ethanol producers, said the industry is very aware of the food versus fuel debate, "but believe it is a false choice."

"American farmers can and will do both," he said. "There is a lot of room for growth in the corn-to-ethanol industry, as the National Corn Growers have pointed out."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corn; energy; ethanol; food; iowa; mccain; subsides
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1 posted on 11/18/2006 5:09:32 PM PST by thackney
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To: thackney

What's the problem? Have them put an initiative on the California ballot -- a $700 billion bond for ethanol research. After it passes there, they can go to Missouri . . .


2 posted on 11/18/2006 5:16:15 PM PST by ZGuy
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Well, ethanol does not have to come from corn. If cellulosic ethanol is finally developed, it could be made from kudzu vines and the like. But more ethanol research is surely needed. I would like to research [with comparative tastings] pre-phylloxera vintages, but at $7000+ a bottle a nice research grant would really help.


3 posted on 11/18/2006 5:20:18 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

$4,000/acre Iowa farmland is just ahead. Maybe higher.


4 posted on 11/18/2006 5:25:55 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: ZGuy

I've been researching a bottle of Knob Creek, and I must say it's going well.


5 posted on 11/18/2006 5:29:03 PM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: GSlob

That kudzu ethanolcould fuel the world in a couple of weeks


6 posted on 11/18/2006 5:32:32 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: thackney
Just drill more freaking oil wells. It's not hard to do.
7 posted on 11/18/2006 5:38:51 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It was about 3K per acre in Dec 2005. The next report comes in for the next year in about three weeks. My great grandfather bought a farm in Madison County near Winterset in 1872, which my mother and aunt still own, and is now horribly mismanaged by the wilful, emotional, aging Hollywood actress aunt, but heck, whatever. She pussy whipped me a long time ago. and I am heir to a mere one sixth interest. Life is too short. One keeps waiting, and waiting and waiting for Winterset to become a suburb of Des Moines. The wait continues. :)


8 posted on 11/18/2006 5:43:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: thackney
The dried grain residue from the ethanol process can be used as a feed with very little loss of protein and fats. The conversion process only uses the starches and sugars. So the residue -- Distiller's Dried Grain in the vernacular -- is an excellent animal feed.

The myth is that the corn is consumed in ethanol production, that using it for fuel prevents its use as a feedstock. Not true. It simply doubles its uses.

9 posted on 11/18/2006 5:44:18 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

I keep reading that the production of ethanol uses almost as much energy as it generates. Any comment? Yes, I admit that I am a potential financial beneficiary as an expectancy to what I see as a scam, but whatever.


10 posted on 11/18/2006 5:46:41 PM PST by Torie
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To: thackney
"It puts quite a strain on the livestock industry ... because of the amounts they can use and the sensitivity to corn price," he said.

If he is making statements like that then he is not much of a scientist.
11 posted on 11/18/2006 6:01:38 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: IronJack
Yes, DDG is very good animal feed.

I suggest folks who want more information look at:
The Value and Use of Distillers Grains By-products in Livestock and Poultry Feeds
http://www.ddgs.umn.edu/overview.htm

Given the jump in prices of ethanol over the last couple years and their by-product is also a useful commodity, I think they could manage without the government subsidies.
12 posted on 11/18/2006 6:08:46 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: P-40
Corn price has risen at a faster pace than other grains which are also up. What reason if not ethanol?

http://www2.barchart.com/mktcom.asp?section=grains

I am asking because I do not know this market at all. Any comments from those who trade or work in the industry are appreciated.
13 posted on 11/18/2006 6:12:31 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Torie
I keep reading that the production of ethanol uses almost as much energy as it generates.

Based on old models and calculating every energy cost of the process, that used to be true. But with higher-sugar/starch corns (or other feedstocks), use of the cobs, stalks, and husks as fuel for the distillation process, and other refinements in the overall flow, it is no longer valid.

There is a plant in Mead, Nebraska that has a positive energy flow from the plant itself. The DDG is fed to cattle, and the collected manure is anaerobically digested to produce huge quantities of methane, which is used to fuel the distillation, power the plant, dry the grain, and still leave enough to sell back into the grid. And that's not including the energy produced from the ethanol itself.

And it's interesting that the energy cost of producing a barrel of oil is never calculated nearly as stringently.

Ethanol's biggest drawback is that it can't be pumped through pipelines like crude can because it draws water. That makes distribution more costly, especially where the trucks and trains hauling it have to burn $3-a-gallon diesel fuel.

14 posted on 11/18/2006 6:13:21 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

So does it pencil or not? I wonder how much the subsidy is per "gallon of oil" replaced is. Do you have any info on that?


15 posted on 11/18/2006 6:22:19 PM PST by Torie
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To: golfisnr1
"That kudzu ethanol could fuel the world in a couple of weeks"
Well, realistically speaking, there is maybe a decade timeframe to develop alternative energetics. Who wants to be dependent on the likes of russia, iran or saudi arabia? I remember in the early 90s [it somehow caught my eye] on a TV in a large store there was a segment about a pilot project in Kentucky - coal gasification, oil from coal. Their outlet was a gas station, and they were showing the motorists happily coming and going. The breakeven point for them then, if memory serves, was something like $30 a barrel.
16 posted on 11/18/2006 6:32:59 PM PST by GSlob
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To: IronJack

If there is a large throughput, then ethanol pipeline is OK- one would need to have a LOT of water to draw in. There are shorter pipelines in chemical plants, and not much water gets in. Ought to be doable. Also, since ethanol viscosity is lower than that of crude oil, pumping it is easier, or more ethanol could be pumped through an existing pipeline, than oil. And the spills would be less of a problem, too. Exxon Valdez would have resulted in some drunken otters.


17 posted on 11/18/2006 6:42:59 PM PST by GSlob
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To: thackney

Who CARES what the scientists want? How about what the market and Citizens want?...


18 posted on 11/18/2006 6:45:14 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: ZGuy; All
Corn-based ethanol is pathetically inefficient compared to sugar cane-based.

McCain opposed ethanol subsidies which hurt him badly in Iowa back in 2000.

The mileage on ethanol fuels is not as good as gasoline so we may actually save less at the pump, or at least have to make more trips.

19 posted on 11/18/2006 6:48:24 PM PST by newzjunkey (** under construction **)
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To: Torie
I don't have the numbers in front of me but it depends on how you calculate. If you purely look at the fuel input and output, it is about a wash. If you consider secondary outputs such as feed and other byproducts, the commonly accepted output is about 1.2 to one.

If you consider the tax and direct subsidies, then it is a veritable perpetual motion machine and license to print money.
20 posted on 11/18/2006 8:04:25 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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