Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
WASHINGTON -- Like many fellow Democratic politicians, Sen. Barack Obama is no stranger to the pulpit.
But in December, Obama will go where few progressive Democrats usually venture--to a large, conservative evangelical church that boasts a Sunday attendance of more than 20,000 people.
Even more unusual is that he'll attend at the invitation of megachurch Pastor Rick Warren, evangelical icon and author of the popular Christian book "The Purpose-Driven Life."
Aides to Obama say he will appear at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Dec. 1, World AIDS Day.
"Sen. Obama has a deep respect for Mr. Warren's commitment to fighting AIDS and poverty," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.
While he was working on his latest book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama asked Warren to help by reading one of his draft chapters. Warren issued the invitation to Obama to speak at the church next month.
The messages that Friday will focus on AIDS and HIV, a key area of ministry for Saddleback Church. While many conservative Christians have shied away from AIDS because of their discomfort with its connections to premarital sex and homosexuality, Warren and his wife, church co-founder Kay Warren, have been vocal advocates for patients living with the disease.
Shortly before the release of his latest book, Obama issued a call to progressives to shed bias against religious people and to recognize "overlapping values."
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As I have, too. And each time I do I ask for specifics from his detractors but those specifics are never provided.
However, I think he's wrong for siding with the global warming folks because the science is not yet there. (Although bible prophecy is with him on an eventual "warming."
I with you there, on both points. ;-)
What they mean by "christianese" is the actual biblical definitions/meanings of salvation, atonement, sin, repentance, Word of God, prayer, holiness, kingdom of God and etc. They don't like the actual biblical definitions...so they are revising them (making another gospel).
I'm not aware of very many Emergents who are Magesterial Protestants
That is okay...I am not aware of many Emergents who are really Christians!
Any disciple/friend of Brian Mclaren, and the like, are an enemy of the church (or at least acting like one).
this is a conservative site, what are you doing here?
Definitely not of the entire Evangelical movement, but there is a vocal minority which is starting to push back - and they may make up the majority of the twenty-something youth.
I don't care for some of the hard right positions espoused by some here.
Those hard-right positions took a Limbaugh Republican, and turned him into an Independent Moderate.
Are you a twenty-something?
See here :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1739649/posts
Rick Warren seems to be coddling up to the Syrian regime too.
I'm not familiar enough with the Emergent movement to have a fully informed opinion. The only emergent church I am familiar enough with is as theologically conservative as any other church - and I know that they certainly do not redefine away "salvation," "atonement," etc.
That is okay...I am not aware of many Emergents who are really Christians!
There's tares in every church - including yours. Your point being?
Any disciple/friend of Brian Mclaren, and the like, are an enemy of the church
One can recognize that they have legitimate concerns without being a "friend or disciple" of theirs.
Yes.
Your church is correct. Jesus never chose not to heal somebody on the basis that "sinners deserve what they get."
What do any of us "deserve"? His love extends to everybody.
Curious where Senator Obama stands on the issues?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm
If you don't want to read the listing here are a few:
promotes abortion
supports Roe v.s. Wade
supports EMBRYONIC stem cell research (not made clear on the link)
anti gun
healthcares is a right
promotes homosexuality (ah, doesn't discriminate against it as being wrong)
against capital punishment
I wish you all the best in your search.
I kid you not: a lot of evangelical Christians would see no problem with half of Obama's platform you described: no death penalty, complete government-paid (i.e. taxpayers-paid) healthcare, and anti-gun. You can't use "results of studies show..." to form arguments: to Christians they are on the line of empricism and thus "humanist".
I was in the same boat as you: indeed Christians in Asia lean politically left even when they are pro-life. They will be literally shocked to see the Left in the West are all post-modern secular humanists. I think many socialists may use prooftexts or misinterpretations of Bible teachings to sway many uninformed Christians to support a lot of political Left platforms.
Take social welfare as an example: hard surveys of effects of years of unlimited and unconditional social welfare has shown they don't help people. Yet Christians continue to support them contrary to survey results just because of some misapplications of a couple of verses of Scriptures. Where we go from here...I don't know.
I lived in Mission Viejo, when this church was first started, and you know something interesting about it? Many of the initials members were Presbyterians (from the Church of the Master) who left the church over the ordination women. It seems strange that they are now going to listen to a Muslim speak in their church.
I accidently sent this to myself, so I'm reposting. Sorry.
I lived in Mission Viejo, when this church was first started, and you know something interesting about it? Many of the initials members were Presbyterians (from the Church of the Master) who left the church over the ordination women. It seems strange that they are now going to listen to a Muslim speak in their church.
Well, let me tell you! CHeck out Irving Bible CHurch is Irving, Texas!
This is the evangelical church I was born and raised it. I am a strong conervative and don't buy into one liberal lie. My church has joined this emergent movemant it seems, buit has failed to let the congregation know about it! I'm not stupid though and can see right through it. Most of the people in my church are conservatives, but I think the pastor, music minister would both admit to being more liberal now than before. Most in the church don't know what is happening and it is sad. I hate seeing this happen to a good church.
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