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The Libertarian Effect
Real Clear Politics ^ | 11/13/06 | ROSS KAMINSKY

Posted on 11/14/2006 6:25:58 PM PST by Purple GOPer

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To: Drango

"Losertarians"...interesting new name for the GOP....


21 posted on 11/14/2006 6:45:48 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Drango
Maybe if the GOP wasn't hell bent on abandoning the Constitution, emulating Democrats, and electing RINO's... we wouldn't need to vote Libertarian.
22 posted on 11/14/2006 6:46:18 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: wku man
He basically threw in the towel this afternoon. here is waht he said:

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5681481&nav=HMO6 PHOENIX Republican Congressman J.D. Hayworth congratulated Democratic challenger Harry Mitchell on what he says is Mitchell's likely victory in Arizona's 5th Congressional District race.

Election workers have been counting ballots since the election on November 7th, when The Associated Press called the race for Mitchell.

Hayworth says "while there are still tens of thousands of votes left to count, it has become apparent that it is unlikely we'll get enough of these votes to win the election."

Results released today show Mitchell's margin over Hayworth has grown slightly over the previous day.

Mitchell has 92-thousand-648 votes, or 50-point-one-percent of the vote.

Hayworth has collected 86-thousand-149 votes or 46-point-six-percent.

23 posted on 11/14/2006 6:47:47 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: UpAllNight
But what about the key issues for Libertarians: drugs, sex, open borders and no troops overseas?

The liberal-tarians... Screw them, they can keep on voting for the Democrats like they always have... they are Cultural Marxists...

Some of them are only here to undermine the conservatives.

24 posted on 11/14/2006 6:47:58 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Drango
It's better in the long run if the Libertarians steal enough elections from the Republicans...

Because after the Libertarian elected Democrats have changed the election laws so that no Republican will ever win again, and make sure the courts are stacked with liberals, thus assuring our country's further slide towards degeneracy, apathy, stupidity until we're all a bunch of 40 year-old over taxed losers living in our mom's basement ripe for invasion by Islamic hoards who will subject us to thousands of years of slaughter and enslavement before they utterly screw up the world in some kind of freak accident killing off all intelligent life until millions of years later when the (I don't know,... let's say llamas) llamas develop the ability to produce tools and then their own society based on peace, happiness, some spitting, and equality thus making everything worth it.

Those Liberaltarians really think ahead.

25 posted on 11/14/2006 6:48:15 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Drango
>>...then they applaud when their ideology sucks votes frpm Republicans and elects liberal Democrats.<<

That's because they are basically anarchists who have a burr under their saddle no matter who is in power. However, as much as they would like to claim the blame for the Republicans losses, their claims are much like the small time burglars who flood the police with claims of guilt when a major theft has occurred by professional thieves.

26 posted on 11/14/2006 6:48:30 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: UpAllNight
But what about the key issues for Libertarians: drugs, sex, open borders and no troops overseas?

The liberal-tarians... Screw them, they can keep on voting for the Democrats like they always have... they are Cultural Marxists...

Some of them are only here to undermine the conservatives.

P.S. Pay attention to who posted this article...

27 posted on 11/14/2006 6:49:16 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: kinoxi

I read it here in an article this past weekend. I'll see if I can locate it and ping you.


28 posted on 11/14/2006 6:49:17 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Purple GOPer
So, I disagree with suggestions that libertarians are fickle and unreliable voters.

No argument there. What I disagree with is the idea that libertarians are a natural and consistent part of the Republican constituency.

29 posted on 11/14/2006 6:50:47 PM PST by HitmanLV ("Get up, come on get down with the sickness.")
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To: MamaLucci
What leftists love about libertarian voters is that they elect democrats.....

Democrats elect democrats. In the Missouri race, the Libertarian candidate got 2.4% of the vote. Talent lost by 1.9%. The turnout was 53%. You can't tell me there weren't enough Republican votes in the 47% of the electorate who sat home on their butts to elect Talent if they'd just gotten up and done it.

30 posted on 11/14/2006 6:51:45 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MamaLucci
What leftists love about libertarian voters is that they elect democrats.....

Democrats elect democrats. In the Missouri race, the Libertarian candidate got 2.4% of the vote. Talent lost by 1.9%. The turnout was 53%. You can't tell me there weren't enough Republican votes in the 47% of the electorate who sat home on their butts to elect Talent if they'd just gotten up and done it.

31 posted on 11/14/2006 6:51:56 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Lighten up Francis...

This libertarian didn't vote for a single liberal and no Democrats this last election. All conservatives. That most of them weren't Republicans wasn't my fault.

Some of them are only here to undermine the conservatives.

No. We point out the hypocrisy of RINO's. A difference with a distinction. One quite a few of you RINO's seems to get your panties in a wad over.

32 posted on 11/14/2006 6:52:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Please do. I did a google and came up with this one that seems to have a different take on it though. It's all how you do the comparisons I guess.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/tst021606a.cfm
33 posted on 11/14/2006 6:52:22 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Drango
I don't understand why losertarians hang here? They thump their chest, proclaim their lofty ideology is near the conservative goal, yet different...

Constitutionally minded conservative libertarians 'hang here' because the site is dedicated, in part, to constitutional restoration.

And, as you so wisely note, restoring our Constitution is indeed a lofty goal.. -- Its only 'different' to those who are incapable of understanding liberty as practiced by libertarians, and call them 'loosers' out of misguided spite.

34 posted on 11/14/2006 6:55:48 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Dead Corpse

I never once claimed to be a "conservative." I thinjk the so-called "libertarians" are really liberal-tarians (cultural Marxists). Pi$$ on them...


35 posted on 11/14/2006 6:56:50 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: tpaine
Why haven't you moved to Vermont and established a libertarian paradise yet?

Typical libertarian. All boast, no action.

36 posted on 11/14/2006 6:58:06 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Purple GOPer

Great article, thanks for posting it


37 posted on 11/14/2006 6:58:14 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Drango
I don't understand why losertarians hang here? They thump their chest, proclaim their lofty ideology is near the conservative goal, yet different...then they applaud when their ideology sucks votes frpm Republicans and elects liberal Democrats.

This is not a Republican website. It is a conservative one, and in fact is much more libertarian than Republican, when you consider what small-l libertarian means and what capital-R Republican is, these days.

In fact, as you can see on the FR home page:

Free Republic is not affiliated with any political party, group, news source, government agency or anyone else.
Furthermore, the site used to proclaim quite prominently a mission that supports my point...


What is our mission? Free Republic is dedicated to reversing the trend of unconstitutional government expansion and is advocating a complete restoration of our constitutional republic. Listed below are some of the issues we feel strongly about.

Basically, we believe that the Founders designed our system of government in the form of a constitutionally limited republic, with maximum freedom intended for the people and minimum government control or interference into our personal lives and business affairs.

The united states of America was intended to be a federation of sovereign states, each with its own constitution and state government. Governments at all levels -- federal, state and local -- were to be controlled by the people. Our Constitution explicitly restricts the power of our federal government; and our Bill of Rights guarantees that NO government may infringe upon our God given unalienable rights. This is to ensure that the real power remains close to home, with the states, the local governments and always in the hands of the people.

We the People have granted our federal government limited powers to oversee certain things, such as national defense, interstate commerce, the postal service, the coining of money, and the operation of a court system. Most other powers now in the hands of the federal government were illegally usurped from the states and from the people.

Somehow, over the years, our guiding principles of law, as set forth in the Constitution, have been eroded to the point that the federal government now has total control -- leaving the states impotent and the people as captive servants to the federal government. This must be reversed if we are to survive as a free Republic and a free people.

We at Free Republic are determined to return the Constitution to its rightful place as the Supreme Law of the land as the Founders intended.

It is not necessary for everyone to hold the same views to be members of Free Republic, however, many of us do share many of the following as common beliefs and goals:


I would love it if the GOP returned to these principles...but I am not going to discard the Constitution to chase after them.
38 posted on 11/14/2006 6:59:55 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Drango
"I don't understand why losertarians hang here? They thump their chest, proclaim their lofty ideology is near the conservative goal, yet different...then they applaud when their ideology sucks votes frpm Republicans and elects liberal Democrats.

Myself being a "losertarian" (little l), I find myself in agreement with republicans 80% of the time, and almost always vote republican. This year I voted 'straight R' for the first time ever, in spite of being the most unhappy with the republicans I've ever been. I just recognized what was at stake, and didn't want to vote for surrender, but that's just me. I can completely understand why others would have not voted for republicans, though I would disagree with them.

Rather than bitching about libertarians after they deservedly lose an election, republicans should analyze and figure out why the libertarian wing of their party didn't show up, and do what they can to draw them back for the next election. Libertarians not voting for republicans, is as bad for republicans as religious conservatives staying home. Like it or not, that's just how it is.

39 posted on 11/14/2006 7:01:05 PM PST by KoRn
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To: UpAllNight

Libertarian != libertarian

Read the article...it's referring to small-l libertarianism.


40 posted on 11/14/2006 7:01:15 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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