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The Administration and Congress have been warned:

China's Submarine Challenge
John Tkacik notes therein:

America’s Endangered Submarine Supremacy
In February 2005, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld commented that the size of the Chinese fleet could surpass the United States Navy’s within a decade. “It is an issue that the department thinks about and is concerned about and is attentive to.” Indeed, the U.S. Navy will hold a series of major naval exercises in the Pacific this summer that will involve four aircraft carrier battle groups, including a carrier normally based on the U.S. East Coast. This will be the first time the Navy has deployed an Atlantic Fleet carrier to a Pacific exercise since the Vietnam War.

However, there is little indication that the Pentagon is taking the Chinese submarine challenge seriously. If it were, the QDR issued earlier this month would have recommended that the erosion of the U.S. submarine fleet come to an end."


1 posted on 11/14/2006 3:00:15 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: Paul Ross

Not a problem. The several dozen P-8As the Navy will be able to buy by 2019 will solve that problem... /sarcasm


2 posted on 11/14/2006 3:02:50 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Paul Ross

OOPSEE. Some LA Class submariners in trouble!


3 posted on 11/14/2006 3:08:05 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Welcome Home, son! You and your comrades are our heroes!))
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Anti submarine warfare is the bastard son of the US Navy. It is about time the stinkin' carrier admirals were put in their place, given a history lesson of WW1 and the WW2 Battle of the Atlantic. The best ASW weapon is another sub. Preferably a Seawolf.


4 posted on 11/14/2006 3:09:34 PM PST by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: Paul Ross

How and why is any of this being made public knowledge?


5 posted on 11/14/2006 3:09:44 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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Start by refitting the S-3 Vikings for ASW duty and redeploying them to the carriers. Then repidly build more attack subs such that each CSG is escorted by at least two nuclear attack boats, in addition to those boats fulfilling all of their other duties.

That would be a good start.

Then...rapidly build up the force of Littoral Combat Ships, heavily weighted to anti-mine and anti-submarine warfare in the littorals and take the fight direct to the littorals, finding and outing the diesel electrics that lurk their.

6 posted on 11/14/2006 3:10:01 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be)
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It was my understanding, from my experience in the 50s, that a submarine could approach a large ship without detection if it stayed in the ships wake. Apparently the ChiComs figured this tactic out.

More aggressive ASW work is required by the screening vessels and perhaps the carrier itself.
9 posted on 11/14/2006 3:17:24 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends we need a 800 ship Navy.)
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Results of the review are in. The sonar should be turned on in case of possible hostiles. Ping.


15 posted on 11/14/2006 3:23:55 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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I was a submarine sonar tech from 1984 to 1990. Our sonar systems have trouble hearing diesel boats. We knew this for all this time. We have have worked to correct this problems.


16 posted on 11/14/2006 3:24:59 PM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com and so it begins...
30 posted on 11/14/2006 4:10:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ??)
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"the U.S. military has given Chinese military visitors access to sensitive U.S. facilities and military exercises"!

WTF, I thought this ended when Clinton left and the Lincoln bedroom hilton was closed to the Chinese military.
48 posted on 11/14/2006 5:34:45 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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How about if we first stop selling our submarine tech to China?


53 posted on 11/15/2006 9:51:25 AM PST by PeterFinn (Support the Troops by supporting their mission.)
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