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A Question from a Webb Supporter
The Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2006 | John Whitesides

Posted on 11/14/2006 1:51:18 PM PST by DCBandita

The announcement by McCain, who has put together campaign organizations in many of the states with early nominating contests, was widely expected. The intentions of Giuliani, who has been less active in early organizing, had been less clear.

Giuliani's campaign team said the committee was simply an opening move designed to keep his options open, with a final decision still to come.

"This filing affords him the opportunity to raise money and put together an organization to assist him in making his decision," Giuliani adviser Anthony Carbonetti said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: conservatives; neocons; theocons; zot
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To: beckysueb

I think it's intellectually dishonest to categorize a large group of people as those who have been "taken care of all their lives by parents or government". There are MANY working homeless families, mothers with children who live in shelters who work two and three jobs to try to pull out of their situation. The component you reference as "lazy" are a small component, albeit part of the problem.

I think there's a fundamental disconnect in what you say on one subject (abortion) and what you say on another (take care of themselves). If you care for and about people (which you seem to), surely you can think about someone you know who works hard, pays taxes, contributes to society yet still can't make ends meet. Real wage growth in the United States is negative - in other words, the growth in real wages is not keeping pace with the cost of living as a whole. Those people who work hard yet still can't get ahead aren't failing to "cut it on their own".


601 posted on 11/15/2006 8:54:14 AM PST by DCBandita
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To: beckysueb

I think the issue for my friend was not that she was told she couldn't deliver the baby normally, encephaly or not. It was that she would have to carry the baby, which was brain-dead, for another three to four months knowing that it would die immediately after delivery. So in your world, she's a vessel - do I have that correctly? And she should have been FORCED to carry her dead baby to term?

How... medieval.


602 posted on 11/15/2006 8:57:45 AM PST by DCBandita
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To: beckysueb

I think the issue for my friend was not that she was told she couldn't deliver the baby normally, encephaly or not. It was that she would have to carry the baby, which was brain-dead, for another three to four months knowing that it would die immediately after delivery. So in your world, she's a vessel - do I have that correctly? And she should have been FORCED to carry her dead baby to term?

How... medieval.


603 posted on 11/15/2006 8:57:51 AM PST by DCBandita
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To: beckysueb

I'd ask the same question back to you. You had a Republican executive and a Republican-controlled Congress for six years... why didn't they try to write a law addressing the issue? The only measure I saw in the states was South Dakota's failed initiative last week.


604 posted on 11/15/2006 8:59:25 AM PST by DCBandita
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To: beckysueb

Let me answer your question by asking you one:

If I pointed you to a scholarly article on NARAL's site or Planned Parenthood's site, would you take it at face value and ignore the source?


605 posted on 11/15/2006 9:00:52 AM PST by DCBandita
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To: beckysueb
I think it has damaged society in that it has cheapened life.

Only the human lives that are no longer considered human life.

606 posted on 11/15/2006 9:01:19 AM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: DCBandita; beckysueb

Who said anything about EVIL sex? If it was so EVIL, then why did the young couple marry and have more EVIL sex resulting in more cell clumps? Oh, yes, they just couldn't help themselves.

I'd much rather think of BEAUTIFUL sex that results in a new LIFE. Hopefully, DCB, you will one day understand that the beginning of life is more than a clump of cells. And it is a privilege (though sometimes uncomfortable, painful, inconvenient, draining, etc.) to be the incubator of a cell clump.

If you really want abortion to happen less often, then you should begin by admitting that one of the possible results of sex is new LIFE.


607 posted on 11/15/2006 9:07:26 AM PST by petitfour
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To: DCBandita
I think the issue for my friend was not that she was told she couldn't deliver the baby normally, encephaly or not. It was that she would have to carry the baby, which was brain-dead, for another three to four months knowing that it would die immediately after delivery. So in your world, she's a vessel - do I have that correctly? And she should have been FORCED to carry her dead baby to term?

I have friends who were told by two doctors that they should terminate their pregnancy because the child had no chance for survival. They chose to carry the child to term. They gave birth to a perfectly healthy baby boy.

Does that happen in every case? Of course not. But that's not the principal argument against abortion, either. Viability isn't really the issue. If it were, euthanasia would also be legal everywhere.
608 posted on 11/15/2006 9:10:59 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom

I think DC probably likes that idea too


609 posted on 11/15/2006 9:14:51 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: beckysueb

Her/his posts to you were coming fast and furious later in the thread...started off with an innocent question on future candidates, then as it goes along, almost every twisted liberal talking point I can think of....it is now mainly arguments now showing the true colors...


610 posted on 11/15/2006 9:30:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: beckysueb

That's what I've been saying all along, a plant doing research....


611 posted on 11/15/2006 9:32:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Once you notice a mosquito you smack it because if you just swat it, it never goes away and bites you. Must be one of those naral nuts.


612 posted on 11/15/2006 9:48:28 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: indylindy
It's an idea that is gaining support in some circles, true
613 posted on 11/15/2006 9:54:29 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom

This is a scary thought. I think the Schiavo case was a way of trying to convince people of this. Bad thought because once something gets started the line of when it is okay keeps getting lower. This guy probably thinks that. He needs to go away and be glad his mama didn't abort him.


614 posted on 11/15/2006 10:00:39 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: indylindy

Well, HE/SHE has succeeded in part of the mission: to waste a couple of days of our time and to do some strategic opposition research, I'll say that for HIM/HER. I'm glad at least I never directly responded to it....


615 posted on 11/15/2006 10:33:38 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I didn't talk with hesheit. He didn't like what I said. Aborting him suits me fine, though. Just kidding. Maybe he is gone.


616 posted on 11/15/2006 10:38:27 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
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To: DCBandita; beckysueb
You had a Republican executive and a Republican-controlled Congress for six years... why didn't they [...]

In all fairness, while we did control both houses, the margins were very thin. the RINOs prevented alot of what a truly conservative congress could have done.

Your side may find that out soon- If the new crop of democrats (which campaigned as moderate/conservative) are true to their promises (which I don't expect, BTW), you will soon have a nice bunch of DINOs pulling y'all to the right.

That being said, it is what they didn't do that damned them.

Bruce

617 posted on 11/15/2006 12:35:35 PM PST by roamer_1
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To: roamer_1

I disagree. The worst thing in the world to happen to the Republicans would be gay marriage banned everywhere and abortion banned everywhere. The NE liberal Republicans would leave over it, and the western libertarians would leave over it, and the social conservatives having gotten what they want, would be less motivated to vote and organize.

It's in the Republican Party's best interest for the issue to be up in the air.


618 posted on 11/15/2006 1:13:23 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: roamer_1

Thanks for your reply. In fairness, I would ask the same question of the Democrats who were in power as well. Why not settle the issue legislatively once and for all? I think your answer is the same as mine would be.

We have moderate Dems in this new crop. And I definitely think there's been a pull to the CENTER. the question is, is that where most voters are, within one or two degrees of the center on either side of it? I believe so.

So I'm not sure your Repubs were "damned" so much as the majority-middle finally spoke definitively.


619 posted on 11/15/2006 2:15:29 PM PST by DCBandita
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To: DCBandita
You said:If I pointed you to a scholarly article on NARAL's site or Planned Parenthood's site, would you take it at face value and ignore the source?

Pictures speak louder than words. If I sent you to a website where Doctors or whatever had written an article, it would be different but go to a website where there are actually pictures of aborted babies. You will be shocked.

620 posted on 11/15/2006 3:04:02 PM PST by beckysueb
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