Posted on 11/12/2006 10:23:21 PM PST by quesney
By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 13, 2006
The USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier The USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier (AFP/Getty Images)
A Chinese submarine stalked a U.S. aircraft carrier battle group in the Pacific last month and surfaced within firing range of its torpedoes and missiles before being detected, The Washington Times has learned.
The surprise encounter highlights China's continuing efforts to prepare for a future conflict with the U.S., despite Pentagon efforts to try to boost relations with Beijing's communist-ruled military.
The submarine encounter with the USS Kitty Hawk and its accompanying warships also is an embarrassment to the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, Adm. William J. Fallon, who is engaged in an ambitious military exchange program with China aimed at improving relations between the two nations' militaries.
Disclosure of the incident comes as Adm. Gary Roughead, commander of the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet, is making his first visit to China.
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I hope you are right, but doubt it!
That's the way I would play it. Make them think there're invisible, fat dumb and happy.
#2 is classified and you are posting it? BTW, I don't know what kind of secret this is, I've always assumed there were at least 2 subs in every group.
"Why are we doing this?" - Well, I think Clinton set a new precedent in shoveling our nuclear secrets out the back door faster than they could be brought in the front door by our scientists and researchers, in the interest of campaign dollars, his Nobel Peace prize, and, most importantly, his legacy.
You're spot on.
Psychologists have a name for that behaviour, I don't recall what it is. Kind of like the "Stockholm Syndrome" except this is when hostage victims will rat out the stronger hostages that are planning escape, all in order to curry favor with their captors and try to keep the captors from killing them.
Getting the feeling that Gertz sees a Chinaman under every bed. Couldn't be about selling his book, now could it?
If they were detected (likely) you wouldn't want to tell them what you heard, especially if they were noisy.
Record noise traces for later comparison and training simulations as well.
Also, see how well they detected (or seemed to detect) you.
I was never sure whether or not the S-3's shortcomings were platform related or tactical. More often than not they went up without an operational FLIR or radar, rendering them pretty much useless for anything but tanking up lawn darts. SH-60Fs and P-3Cs have always been much more effective in the ASW role.
I highly doubt that.
:-)
Excellent. Bravo sir.
Interesting. I'm sure they're watching our actions in Iraq with keen interest.
Actually you're both wrong, which is good.
Pelosi was warned last week by a Chinese official not to enact trade barriers...
We are now checkmated by our dependence on cheap Chinese goods.
BUMP
It seems to me that our intent is to use this event to our advantage.
Say what?
Then what are we using for carrier-based fixed-wing ASW?
That sounds incredibly foolish.
I read that in a recent wargame involving a Swedish diesel sub, the Swedish sub managed to sink the Reagan and a hunter killer nuke.
Prange's tome is the best on the subject. To digest it is to know the absurdity of the conspiracy theorists... and to realize that the nation was TRULY... asleep. You might also like to read his book on Midway.
We are "fair and balanced" dont cha know?
>>one thing's for sure - you'll never hear the whole story.
That's the one statement about this that is indubitably true, and worth saying again.
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