"A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER" (Not the Tom Clancy novel)

Free Republic ^ | 11/12/2006 | gonzo

[PhilDragoo]

Daniel Pipes reports on a new photograph reputed to be Ahmadinejad ca. 1979 here.

Although the President referred to Iran as part of his "Axis of Evil", his new DOD designate Robert Michael Gates joins James Baker and Tony Blair in urging "engagement" with Tehran to ensure stability in Iraq.

Who besides Homer Simpson finds this logical?

Behold Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pursuing the nuclear weapons to erase Israel and bring on the return of the lost imam and now has the Great Satan bowing to his will, seeking his favor, guaranteeing him who knows what obscene security.

What seemed like such excellent strategery, the bracketing of Iran with U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has, within the week, been reversed faster than any wrestling move Donald Rumsfeld taught.

Will Rice and Bush exert yet more pressure on Olmert to cave to the demands of the murderous islamofascists.

I recall Robert Baer in See No Evil recounting being recalled by the FBI on orders from Tony Lake--just as he closed on the culprit of the 1983 Beirut Embassy bombing, IJO, "a term of art for Iran".

Are we outsourcing U.S. policy.

[angcat]

Ping for later. This is a most disturbing thread!

[gonzo]

"...I don't see any mention of the Dem Congress in this prospectus... don't underestimate their capacity to out-surrender the French..."

I'm sure the dims would rather surrender - that's true, but I'm betting on President Bush being able to act unilaterally, without even bothering with the congress or senate.

I believe he, as President of the USA, can pursue any and all actions he feels are necessary when he believes our Nation is faced with a 'Clear and Present Danger', hence, the title of this thread. Any actions taken can then be later discussed in the Congress and Senate for any wrongdoing, but, the job would be done!

What-the-hell, klintoon bombed the crap out of 'whatever Yugoslavia and some surrounding Countries are called', just to get his 'Impeachment' off the front page! he never asked anyones' permission, nor did he suffer any consequences.

Regardless of what the USA may have become politically after last November 7th, the islamofacist Global Threat is real, and IMHO, it's best to deal with it now, in 1938, when it can be defeated, instead of waiting until 1939, when the bombs start dropping.

In any event, stay well armed and safe, my friend. You and Quentin can always bunk at 'Firebase Gonzo'!.................FRegards

[fanfan]

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[redhead]

I'm very interested in this discussion, and have to admit I'm not knowledgeable about the topics being discussed. I was wondering, though, if it would be feasible for Israel to bomb the Iranian nuke facility, and what the consequences might be if they did. Thanks for any help you can give me in thinking through this.

[redhead]

"Bush and neocons knew the American public would support limited response to 9-11 threats and hence portrayed Iraq and Hussein as bogeyman, thinking they could do an updated desert storm. They greatly misunderestimated (smile) the strength of islamic jihad, and were now caught in a battle that became the major front in the war on islam, with Iran pulling the strings."

LOL! I said (aloud, and to myself, for some strange reason) virtually the exact same thing just seconds before I read your post. Thank you for your knowledge, all of you! I'm learning a lot!

[Nascar Dad]

btt

[gonzo]

"...If something like this isn't done before the new congress is sworn in, Israel will have to take out Iran by itself to ensure its survival..."

And they will Grampa Dave! The only problem is that logistically, Israel would have to use their Nuclear weapons, and any surviving aircraft would have to land in countries hostile to them.

They just don't have the long-range capability needed to hit Iran with conventional weapons and return. They were stretched to their limit in 1982(?) when they hit the Iraqi nuclear facility, and that was with brand-new, long-range, F-16's (courtesy of the USA).

You're correct. If we don't solve the problem, Israel will! Stay well armed and safe.............FRegards

[gonzo]

I wish I had a ping list. I wish I knew how to make one!............FRegards

[gonzo]

"...I will be considered evil for saying so, but there are no innocents when you are at war. We need to drop a nuke on Iran when they are having one of those parades and we know all of the big wheels are either there or very close..."

The only evil involved are the muzzies - the crazies who strap-on bombs or fly airliners into buildings, and kill innocents.

We are at war. I'd rather see us fight and win it now, while we're still strong! Not like 1942, when we were hurt and bleeding.

Stay well armed and safe............FRegards

[gonzo]

"...I'm very interested in this discussion, and have to admit I'm not knowledgeable about the topics being discussed. I was wondering, though, if it would be feasible for Israel to bomb the Iranian nuke facility, and what the consequences might be if they did. Thanks for any help you can give me in thinking through this..."

See # 108, redhead. Israel has a problem, and only a Nuclear solution.

The rest of the World should solve this problem. Stay well.............FRegards

[gonzo]

Borrowed ping...............FRegards

[photodawg]

Therefore, they may very well not use the very first nuke on Israel.
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They will give that honor to hizballah, and dare us to do anything about it. Also, while it takes time to develop nuclear capability, they can't risk us preemptively destroying what they have as they build more. They love death. nukes mean many deaths. They don't need 1000 megatons just 10 or so strategically used and it destroys our infra structure, economy and way of life . How many megatons would destroy Israel? Europe? Chaos is the operative strategy here.

[HardStarboard]

I'm pulling for your "insightful senario" of events to really happen. As fanciful as it seems, it actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. Particularly if you believe that Bush is the supurb poker player he has a reputation for.

But I think its got to happen before the ISG, Iraq Study Slaughter Group get its steamroller going in conjuction with Democrat appeasers.

That means, its got to happen in the next month to six weeks. We live in "interesting" times.

[gonzo]

"...That means, its got to happen in the next month to six weeks. We live in "interesting" times..."

That's the prefered timing, HardStarboard. It is Israels' belief that Iran will have a nuclear capability by April, 2007.

If we don't stop it, Israel will! Interesting times indeed!

Stay well armed and safe...............FRegards

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I seem to remember something about some sonar technology that the Chinese got from Clinton.

It was Toshiba that sold US submarine-propeller technology to the USSR who were only too happy to turn it over to the Chinese.
It was an odd-bladed skewed propeller design to reduce cavitation...which makes the sub very quiet at higher speeds.

[Inge_CAV]

Bump!

[M Kehoe]

Good evening my FRiend. Some cool weather in the near future. Well, it sure has been a glorious day in our tiny piece of paradise, hasn't it?

You do know your post might scare the newbies. Next thing ya know all of them will be talking about Armageddon. Then again, Israel is a country now, and rumor has it that the cornerstone has been chosen for the third temple. The only problem is there will be a billion screaming muzzies on the top of the Western wall with rocks. Some would call that a problem. Others would call it a target rich environment.

No matter, keep the stores full, gas in the 4x4, and the ammo plentiful. Methinks we are in for a bumpy ride...

5.56mm

[MinuteGal]

Hi, M.....I'm back and settling in. Hope all is well with you and the missus.

Leni

[gonzo]

"...No matter, keep the stores full, gas in the 4x4, and the ammo plentiful. Methinks we are in for a bumpy ride..."

No problems, FRiend, and I'd opt for a 'target-rich' environment. Stay well and safe...........FRegards