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To: Fishtalk
Rush Limbaugh's opinion means nothing to me, since he was QUITE happy to get all of those interviews with Cheney. He's just trying to divert attention from his ham-handed treatment of Michael J. Fox, which probably cost us Jim Talent's seat in Missouri, if not some other seats where there were close races. Rush may not be on the ballot, but he is the face of conservatism to a lot of people, especially moderates, and his tacky behavior cost us votes.

Laura Ingraham has been griping about Bush since the Harriet Miers nomination, and I don't value her opinion either.

So if you are taking your cues from those two I suggest you re-think your position.

And now I am out of here for a while...my husband needs the computer.

62 posted on 11/12/2006 5:54:04 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple
I live in Missouri and it was NOT Rush's treatment of Fox that cost conservatives anything!!!! Even the promoters of this cloning bill have stated they did NOT expect to have the opposition they ended up having.

Liberals LIE to get elected and truly amazing how everybody is scarfing up Mccaskillls claim that Rush helped her get elected. POPPYCOCK!!!!

What Rush did in this state was give publicity to what was at stake, people putting their faith in government to SAVE them.

There was a minimum wage amendment on the ballot which gave incentive for UNIONs to get out their vote. I have read that religious voters switched their vote to the liberals, and that is NOT Rush's fault.
75 posted on 11/12/2006 5:59:19 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Miss Marple

I'm listening to Tim Russert really, really launch his "get us our of Iraq now" campaign.


93 posted on 11/12/2006 6:07:20 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Miss Marple

I most certainly will NOT rethink my opinion.

I gave a list of things that left me feeling disenfranchised and I'm damn well sticking to it. These are MY feelings, not Limbaugh's or Laura Ingraham's and I respectfully claim rightful ownership to them.

As for Limbaugh, let me state now that if that man really WAS carrying water for some pubbies than it seems he sold us down the river. He defended himself by saying the alternative was worse, as he saw it, and I can understand. We were all faced with the "lesser of two evils" dilemma in so many cases, weren't we?

And yeah, he was incredibly ham-handed with that Michael Fox thing. I got eyeballs and hey, even ears. He came off as lame, mocking and even a bit cruel. Those of us used to him knew it is Rush's way but I can certainly understand how the uninitiated viewed it.

I'm drop dead serious here about my disillusionment and I think I gave viable reasons.

It's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Perhaps even our conservative pundits should grow a pair and stand up for conservative principles. The President, he's a good man and I sure don't blame him for this recent loss. But that man has a bully pulpit and let's face it, he's no Ronald Reagan communicator. I despise every Republican who thought it cool to come out and condemn the President for the decision to go to Iraq when they all voted for it. This is yet another reason for my disenchantment.

There is simply no denying the failures of the Republican party to either enforce or state firmly and clearly Conservative values and casting aspersions to others gives them a pass I do not think they deserve.


102 posted on 11/12/2006 6:11:25 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
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To: Miss Marple
Rush Limbaugh's opinion means nothing to me

This is the silliest thing I've ever seen you post.

If Rush Limbaugh wasn't a powerful force on the right, why, do tell, do you think the MSM spends so much time and energy dissing him and his opinions?

143 posted on 11/12/2006 6:26:05 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Miss Marple

this is one of the few times I VIOLENTLY disagree with ya.


169 posted on 11/12/2006 6:34:44 AM PST by advertising guy
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To: Miss Marple

Guess we disagree. Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham were trying to get some accountability from Republicans. Frankly, the main reason I voted straight republican this year was judges...if Miers' nomination had gone through, I wouldn't even had that to motivate me.

GWB has been a tremendous FAILURE as a leader during the last 2 years.

On Iraq, he has failed to articulate a vision and failed to take charge. He has repeatedly said he'll give the Generals in the field whatever they ask for, and let them decide what troop levels are need. While the micromanaging of targets was an LBJ failure, the opposite is also a failure. The Commander-in-Chief is responsible for making decisions - not the SECDEF or the military.

Part of the disillusionment of independents was the feeling our Iraq policy was on autopilot to nowhere. GWB needs to be actively leading the effort, not just saying, "Stay the Course". Not when most folks don't know what the course is - as demonstrated by the ability of democrats to claim GWB's policy (phased withdrawal as Iraqi forces get up to speed) as their own. Every time a democrat stood up and 'suggested' that, Tony Snow and the local Republicans should have publicly thanked the democrat for supporting the President's plan!

Last summer, GWB should have made some personnel changes (possibly including Rumsfeld) and publicly expressed his unhappiness with the state of progress in Iraq. That would have been leadership.

He also should have fought the republicans in Congress, when needed. When the Speaker supported Jefferson against the FBI, GWB needed to jump in his chili with both boots. When Congress passed spending bills that were out of control, GWB should have vetoed them. He should have publicly called for reforms in earmarks, and made it clear he would veto bills that were riddled with them. Republicans came to be associated with big spending (by a 60/40 margin, voters felt republicans were bigger spenders than democrats). GWB COULD have changed that - although it is hard to do when he pushed for massive spending increases!

He also has shown a deaf ear. His nomination of Miers was just embarrassing, and his suggestion that the opposition to her was based on sexism obscene! He could have pushed for comprehensive immigration reform by insisting on securing the borders first, with the promise that, once secure, he would push for guest workers and possibly even amnesty. Instead, he wanted the whole enchilada, and suggested opposition was based on racism.

Two years ago, I was a strong Bush supporter - in spite of his prescription give-away, signing CFR and enlarging the Ed Department. And on his worst day, he is still 10 times better than JF Kerry.

But as a leader? He's failed.


253 posted on 11/12/2006 7:09:06 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Miss Marple
I've come to the thread very late but I was struck by your posts about Limbaugh. I do not agree with you at all about Limbaugh vrs MJ Fox.

Before Limbaugh commented on the Fox commercial the cloning bill was ahead 70-30. After Rush got into the picture and let it be known what the bill was actually the numbers dropped dramatically. Cloning still won but 51-49. Little consolation, but hardly Rush's fault. Tammy Duckworth had MJ Fox campaign for her and she lost. Is that MJ Fox's fault?

Talent lost because Talent didn't didn't run a good enough campaign and didn't get enough people out to vote.
511 posted on 11/12/2006 9:57:24 AM PST by Republican Red (if you don't want to root for the home team then get the hell out of the stadium)
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