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Church supports baby euthanasia
The UK Times ^ | Sunday 12 November 2006 | Peter Zimonjic

Posted on 11/11/2006 6:28:10 PM PST by silverleaf

Church Supports Baby Euthanasia

THE Church of England has joined one of Britain’s royal medical colleges in calling for legal euthanasia of seriously disabled newborn babies. Church leaders want doctors to be given the right to withhold treatment from seriously disabled newborn babies in exceptional circumstances.

Their call, overriding the presumption that life should be preserved at any cost, follows that of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecology, revealed in The Sunday Times last week.

The church’s position was laid out in a submission to an independent inquiry, due to publish its report this week, into the ethical concerns surrounding the treatment of severely premature babies.

In the submission Tom Butler, Bishop of Southwark, states: “It may in some circumstances be right to choose to withhold or withdraw treatment, knowing it will possibly, probably, or even certainly result in death.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2450134,00.html

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anglican; christianity; churchofengland; cultureofdeath; episcopals; ethics; eurocompassion; euthanasia; infanticide; mammon; moralabsolutes; postnatalabortions; prolife
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To: RFEngineer

Sadly, that is what the Episcopal Church has become. Disgusting, isn't it?

I still worship in the Episcopal (well, actually, we dropped the Episcopal part out of our name already) church I grew up in, and we're part of a large group (led by Truro Church and The Falls Church) from Northern Virginia that will most likely break away before New Year's.


21 posted on 11/11/2006 7:24:35 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: MarilynBr

Sadly,I think we have not seen the bottom-not even close.I really fear the next 10 years.


22 posted on 11/11/2006 7:25:53 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: silverleaf

I believe this was tried on the continent about 70 years ago. Dind' end well.


23 posted on 11/11/2006 8:00:20 PM PST by rmlew (Having slit their throats may the conservatives who voted for Casey choke slowly on their blood.)
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To: silverleaf
When these men of God meet God...

I wouldn't call them men of God. Apostates posing as men of God, maybe. In any event, they'd do well to practice swimming with millstones tied around their necks.
24 posted on 11/11/2006 8:06:42 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
It just seems to be ratcheting up, does it seem that way to you? What's next - roving bands of "mercy killers" offing those who aren't smiling?

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25 posted on 11/11/2006 8:12:43 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; All
Now to me it seems that the newspaper has misstated what the bishop said. It is one thing to administer morphine to deliberately kill a person--Euthanasia--it is another to stop treatment when it is obvious that the treatment will not save a life.

Reading carefully, I believe the title of the article is misleading. All statements in the piece itself suggest there might be time where vain attempts at treatment is actually worse than allowing the infant to pass on. A bit differently, the Royal College apparently supports active mercy killing in its separate report.

Most bizarre is arguing if they can freely kill the child after it's born, parents might not have late term abortions in order to see the infants circumstance for themselves.

This is a legacy of the "pro choice" fascists: you or I lose an innate right to live and are allowed continued lives purely at the arbitrary whim of another, separate person.

Just watch how the Left treat any abortion vs. a miscarriage, such as Pamela Anderson's. For those abortion ideologues the only difference is whether the child was wanted or not. They don't more the child itself.

26 posted on 11/11/2006 8:17:23 PM PST by newzjunkey (I blame Bush.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Yes. Just because someone has on "holy clothes" or an honorific title, or performs some outwardly religious rituals, has no bearing on whether he is a man of God.


27 posted on 11/11/2006 8:18:45 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: struggle

--The greatest and saddest irony. God made that life with a plan for it that you men decide to extinguish.--

God's plan was for it to be born without the capability of being able to survive?


28 posted on 11/11/2006 8:19:42 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission; All
Now to me it seems that the newspaper has misstated what the bishop said. It is one thing to administer morphine to deliberately kill a person--Euthanasia--it is another to stop treatment when it is obvious that the treatment will not save a life.

Reading carefully, I believe the title of the article is misleading. All statements in the piece itself suggest there might be time where vain attempts at treatment is actually worse than allowing the infant to pass on. A bit differently, the Royal College apparently supports active mercy killing in its separate report.

Most bizarre is arguing if they can freely kill the child after it's born, parents might not have late term abortions in order to see the infants circumstance for themselves.

This is a legacy of the "pro choice" fascists: you or I lose an innate right to live and are allowed continued lives purely at the arbitrary whim of another, separate person.

Just watch how the Left treat any abortion vs. a miscarriage, such as Pamela Anderson's. For those abortion ideologues the only difference is whether the child was wanted or not. They don't mourn the child itself.

29 posted on 11/11/2006 8:20:33 PM PST by newzjunkey (I blame Bush.)
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To: silverleaf

Well then. What have we come to? Let's just give the poor dears a shot to put them to sleep and harvest whatever's left that is useful. /sarcasm off


30 posted on 11/11/2006 8:29:13 PM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: Mad Dawg

<< YMMV, but that's how it looked when I was a priest. >>

I think your vision is crystal clear.








31 posted on 11/11/2006 8:33:14 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Missouri: The Clone-Me State)
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To: silverleaf

Just sickening...


32 posted on 11/11/2006 8:48:58 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: silverleaf
I recommend taking this article very cautiously, getting confirmation on exactly what the Anglican Church's position on this matter is. The article is very sketcy on the details, and seems to be hyping a story. The only definitive and problematic line concerning the Anglican position was this:

It says it would support the withdrawal of treatment only if all reasonable alternatives had been considered, “so that the possible lethal act would only be performed with manifest reluctance”.

Merely "considering" all reasonable alternatives does not justify murder. Furthermore, if "lethal act" is referring to murder, or withholding basic needs, this is a serious problem. But if "lethal act" is referring to witholding extraordinary measures, then if the conditions in question are terminal, this is not necessarily an unethical position.

But the article is far too sketchy to evaluate properly.

-A8

33 posted on 11/11/2006 9:17:08 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

--But the article is far too sketchy to evaluate properly.--

The article is necessarily sketchy since the stated positions are far too sketchy.


34 posted on 11/11/2006 9:48:11 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: madison10
The Church of England and the Episcopals: Just what Jesus had in mind. /sarc

Not that any orthodox Episcopalian Freepers (not Episcopals) are offended by that post.

35 posted on 11/11/2006 10:34:58 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: 8mmMauser
Depressing ping. (Like other posters, I'm somewhat wary of the accuracy and context of the report. But it's still depressing...)
36 posted on 11/11/2006 11:03:35 PM PST by TheSarce
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To: TheSarce; silverleaf
Pinged from Terri NOVEMBER Dailies

8mm


37 posted on 11/12/2006 5:41:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: UpAllNight
"God's plan was for it to be born without the capability of being able to survive?"

God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living. Wisdom 1:13

If the baby can't survive, it dies: that's natural death, and it happens to us all. And death is not God's plan: the Bible identifies death as our enemy and God's enemy.

"Active euthanasia” should be considered for the overall good of families, to spare parents adult children with better things to do the emotional burden and financial stress of caring for desperately sick infants aging parents.

Among the many other objections to this, it should be noted that not so long ago (say, 150 years ago) MOST human diseases, disabilities, and handicaps were untreatable. There was no cure for tuberculosis, no vaccine for Polio, no dietary treatment for phenylketonuria, no regimen for diabetes: basically, other than food, water, and comfort care, no nothin' for nothin'...

It was the good-faith attempt to treat, ameliorate, heal, and cure that led to every bit of medical progress which we now enjoy.

Love these babies, hold them, attempt to nurture them as well as you can. If they are so severely premature and so desperately sick, they will perhaps die on their own: there is no ""need"" to kill them.

But if you try to sustain and strengthen them, you will gain continuous skill, experience, and knowledge about how to help tiny preemies. Every FReeper who has ever been sick or injured should realize that there will be no more cures for anyone if death-as-a-treatment is accepted in our legal and medical community.

38 posted on 11/12/2006 6:23:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Since you asked.)
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To: silverleaf

My G_d...


39 posted on 11/12/2006 6:24:04 AM PST by Fury
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It was the good-faith attempt to treat, ameliorate, heal, and cure that led to every bit of medical progress which we now enjoy.

What a wonderful insight. I wish I could think as clearly as you do.

40 posted on 11/12/2006 6:50:26 AM PST by MSSC6644
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