Beheaded (3 Christian) girls 'Ramadan trophies', court hears (wanted 100 more)

The Australian ^ | November 9, 2006 | Stephen Fitzpatrick

[NYer]

THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.

The girls' severed heads were dumped in plastic bags in their village in Indonesia's strife-torn Central Sulawesi province, along with a handwritten note threatening more such attacks. The note read: "Wanted: 100 more Christian heads, teenaged or adult, male or female; blood shall be answered with blood, soul with soul, head with head."

Javanese trader Hasanuddin appeared in Jakarta Central Court yesterday charged with planning and directing the murders in October last year. He faces a death sentence if found guilty under anti-terrorism legislation. Hasanuddin allegedly returned from a visit to members of Philippines Islamist group the Moro Islamic Liberation Front with tales of how that organisation regularly staged bombings to coincide with Lebaran, the festival that ends the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. He later spoke with a preacher in Poso, Central Sulawesi, about whether such a plan could work in Indonesia, but expressed doubt about whether it was appropriate. However, after further discussion with friends, he decided that beheading Christians could qualify as an act of Muslim charity.

Conscripting several accomplices at a local pesantren, or Islamic school, he directed one of them, Lilik Purnomo, to seek out "the head of a Christian", prosecutors alleged. "It would be a great Lebaran trophy if we got a Christian. Go search for the best place for us to find one," Hasanuddin allegedly ordered his companion. Lilik returned to say he had found an "excellent" target - a group of schoolgirls who travelled to and from class by foot in the Central Sulawesi village of Gebong Rejo.

[pandoraou812]

I know that. But I keep hearing it and it sure irks me. It is not a religion of peace in my opinion. I don't think there has been any religion that didn't fight in history at sometime or another, correct me if I am wrong. I am frightened about this one though. I don't think you can talk with these Muslims and make nice. I just don't see it. I am sure there are peaceful Muslims who hate what is happening somewhere but when these religious fanatics can get young men and woman to kill themselves in the name of Allah then the peaceful ones are in the minority. They can't speak out for fear of losing their own heads. I am afraid we will have another bombing here before America wakes up and understands how much they truly hate us.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Our Judeo-Christian heritage and our American legal tradition teach us a number of principles: (1) individual responsibility, not group guilt (2) distinguishing between innocent and guilty, combatant and non-combatant; (3) equal justice under law.

Statements like this: "Ya know, more and more I don't see any reason to be selective about which muslims we kill"--- if meant seriously --- show a willingness to adopt the islamofascist mindset which we despise.

[quantfive]

Absolutely disgusting. And we show emphathy and not take the gloves off against such people?

[winner3000]

Please, where did you get that photo? I'd love a link to be able to email it to friends of mine.

[Phantom Patriot]

Our Judeo-Christian heritage and our American legal tradition teach us a number of principles: (1) individual responsibility, not group guilt (2) distinguishing between innocent and guilty, combatant and non-combatant; (3) equal justice under law.

First of all one would have to believe in our legal system which I do not. Those with money will always have a better outcome. How can you distinguish the difference between Innocent and guilty or combatant or non combatant when they finally show their true colors they have killed many Innocent people and themselves. Which and intelligent person should be able to realize does not allow for equal justice for anyone. I must clarify I may not totally agree with the statement regarding selectivity however it is very difficult to distinguish between them and I would prefer not to become a martyr for another's belief. BTW have you seen the special televised recently how they are training their children to hate us and to kill us. Several small children who one would say are so cute had they not had the volume turned up so they could hear what the cute children were saying.

[pandoraou812]

I never had a problem about Muslims in this country until I was talking with a person who has been in the government for many years. He told me of sleeper cells that have been in America for years, living as Americans do, going to church , living regular lives. Being involved in communities just waiting for their call. I don't know if this is true but it sure makes you think. I don't want to think bad of anyone but I want to be safe and I want out country safe. If what this man told me is true we have a huge problem.

[LibWhacker]

http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=fullstory&newsID=475

[Phantom Patriot]

I don't want to think bad of anyone but I want to be safe and I want out country safe. If what this man told me is true we have a huge problem.

Exactly my point.

[Little Ray]

I'm sure most Germans, Russians and Chinese didn't (or don't) share the opinions and goals of the Nazi and Communist Parties. They still did the dirty work, paid the taxes, obeyed the orders, etc., that allowed those monstrosities to kill millions upon millions.

I wonder how much money your patriotic Muslim coach send to Muslim "charities" that fund terrorsists like Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.?

[Little Ray]

You seem to have a problem distinguishing between war and law enforcement.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I agree that is it very hard to distinguish between innocent and guilty, combatant and noncombatant in this war. Virtually all of the vicious islamofascist killers have been technically "ciivilians" (not in uniform, not under a recognized chain of command, not representing a nation or state, not having political objectives which would be negotiable as "terms of peace.") That --- plus the fact that they target noncombatants -- is what makes them terrorists, not soldiers.

Nevertheless, it is our responsibility to act as justly as it is in our power to do: destroying the capability of the terrorists to carry out armed operations; punishing the guilty in a way that is swift, severe, and certain; and shielding the innocent.

If you throw up your hands and say, "Oh, t'hell with all that 'shield the innocent' stuff," you've given the evildoers their most important victory: you've abandoned whatever was "Judeo-Christian" or "American" about your way of thinking and acting, and you've made yourself morally indistinguishable from Muhammad and the fiends of hell.

[Little Ray]

Last time I checked Judeo-Christians and "the American Way" burned their way from Chattanooga to the Atlantic Ocean, pacified the Indians by starving them out (killing off the buffalo herds), waged unrestricted submarine warefare against Japanese merchant shipping, pursued daylight bombing campaigns against just about everything remotely of military value in Occupied Europe, firebombed Tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

THAT is how you wage war. Kill the enemy. Destroy their support. Break their hearts.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I'm sure most Germans, Russians and Chinese didn't (or don't) share the opinions and goals of the Nazi and Communist Parties. They still did the dirty work, paid the taxes, obeyed the orders, etc., that allowed those monstrosities to kill millions upon millions. "

The combatants we are fighting in Iraq--- and the murderers who beheaded these four innocent girls --- do not represent nations. Whatever responsibility citizens may have for what their nations do, the 1 b Muslims in the world --- many of whom are victims of Islamic terrorists --- are not responsible individually or as a group for what stateless terrorists do.

In any case: deliberately or indiscriminately targeting non-combatants of any nation (including WWII-era Germany and Japan) is still a violation of International Law, United States law, US Code of Military Justice law, and God's law.

It is damnable.

[NYer]

Thank you for posting that picture!

[Little Ray]

International Law is what the US and its Allies decide it is. US Law and the UCMJ I have some issues with - they were largely written by the folks who lost us Vietnam and tried to lose us the Cold War. God's Law okayed the extermnation of entire cities by divine intervention or by the action of the Tribes of Israel.

As for the rest, it would be nice if we could target the guilty. I, for one, would support death squads going around targeting the folks supporting terrorism, but that ain't gonna happen. That leaves the brute force approach. It would be useful, however, if we could get some Muslim proxies to do some of the fighting for us, just like we did with the Indians..

[FNG]

Your are most ignorant about Islam. Thie religion teaches them to lie to infidels, so whatever "good" side they show you is probably false. Jehovah God did not tell His people to spare the "good" Amalekites when taking the land. It was sacntioned genocide. And there's nothing wrong with a little genocide, as long as the right people are being eradicated.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I wonder how much money your patriotic Muslim coach send to Muslim "charities" that fund terrorsists like Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.?"

Anyone who in fact sends money to terrorist organizations, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If I were on the jury I would yell "Guilty!" and if I were judge I would impose the maximum penalty.

But I very much doubt that you know anything about Coach Sabri in particular. And in America, we only accuse, investigate, arrest, and prosecute people in particular. Or do you propose that we incriminate my Tennessee neighbor on the basis of his name?

For shame.

[Phantom Patriot]

I agree that is it very hard to distinguish between innocent and guilty, combatant and noncombatant in this war

It is virtually impossible until they blow themselves up or make a statement to the media.

and noncombatant in this war. Virtually all of the vicious islamofascist killers have been technically "ciivilians" (not in uniform, not under a recognized chain of command, not representing a nation or state,

Yet they are supported by Nations that claim to be our friends.

That --- plus the fact that they target noncombatants -- is what makes them terrorists, not soldiers

So then how do you propose to do all of those legal stunts?
And again to what purpose and good to place on trial the pieces of a dead terrorist.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"So then how do you propose to do all of those legal stunts?"

By "all these legal stunts" I suppose you mean what I listed in my last post: destroying the capability of the terrorists to carry out armed operations; punishing the guilty in a way that is swift, severe, and certain; and shielding the innocent?

That's what our troops are doing every day, to the best of their ability. I don't think we can ask any more than that.

[Phantom Patriot]

With all due respect to your opinion. I would have to suspect if you were issued a weapon, and then tied your hands and sent to the streets of anywhere these Muslims of peace are harbored you'd be dead in no time trying to distinguish who you should kill. A true war cannot be won in this fashion. And many defenders will die if it continues to be fought in this manner.

Perhaps the elder Bush had good reason not to commit ground troupes. Ahh with age comes wisdom.