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Advice to Republicans: Don't go back and check on a dead skunk
The Wall Street Journal | November 9, 2006 | Dick Armey

Posted on 11/09/2006 1:07:50 AM PST by Zakeet

If there was still any doubt, the Republican Revolution of 1994 officially ended Tuesday night with the loss of at least 28 seats and majority control of the House of Representatives. As I write this, the race in Virginia that will determine if the Republicans also lose control of the Senate is too close to call, but leaning Democrat.

It was a rout.

How did we get here? The war in Iraq and historical voting patterns that favor the opposition party in off-year elections are factors suggested by many post-election pundits. Certainly, the mounting problems in Iraq were on voters' minds, but responsibility for the conduct of the war lies with the executive branch, and President Bush was not on the ballot.

That said, this was a national election, driven by national issues. One big issue in exit polls suggests widespread voter backlash against the "culture of corruption." There is something to this, I think. Over time, too many Republicans in the governing majority forgot or abandoned their national vision, letting parochial interests dominate the decision-making process.


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To: ClaireSolt
Demographics talk for Protestants.
21 posted on 11/09/2006 2:06:33 AM PST by GeorgeBerryman
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To: GeorgeBerryman; cowtowney
'Perhaps' I was taking it to mean his criticism of evangelical persuassion on conservatives. Thanks - I'll stand by what I said.

I disagree. I think Armey was talking about the notorious political pork that made the whole Congress stink. Bad year to be doing that, with a war going on and the budget in deficit.

"The Bridge to Nowhere" comes to mind -- the MSM gave that prominent play.

22 posted on 11/09/2006 2:11:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Caipirabob

Agree with everything in your post number 4.
Bush seemed unfocused on Iraq and couldn't or wouldn't produce a decisive victory against the insurgents, which is something I notice that Saddam's defeated aremy did without too much trouble, while at home the Republicans , starting with the President IMO, made it clear that they'd abandoned the "Republican Revolution" years ago.

I have no idea where Bush and Congress are going wih all this, but I'm short on patience at this point.


23 posted on 11/09/2006 2:15:24 AM PST by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Zakeet

He is dead on.


24 posted on 11/09/2006 2:18:22 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"The party in charges the mainstream media deems is bad take the fall."

Boy, we really got Pwned by the formerly lame-stream media this time. They wouldn't have been as effective if the Republicans hadn't handed them the ammo, but we couldn't do enough to blunt their impact. Their bias was shameful, but what do they care now that they have both houses and an agenda for impeachment. 2008 is begun in earnest.They're just trying to find a tall enough tree while Nasty Pelosi orders the rope.

25 posted on 11/09/2006 2:20:04 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
"Yes, Dick - clearly our problem is with God, right? Fortunately our Founders were also fond of him."

I don't think anyone has a problem with God. But the nutcases who worship organized religeon are certainly a problem.

26 posted on 11/09/2006 2:21:13 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: GeorgeBerryman

I know you're not using it in a derogatory fashion, but the media does. It's one of their buzz words for, "Yuck! It's one of those bleating Christians again!" as though we are some kind of pestilence.

Why help them perpetrate the derogatory usage by repeating it? In the case of somebody who is actually an evangelical Christian, then it should be used, but the media lumps just about anybody of faith, including Catholics and excepting Jews, into the term, as though all Christians go about preaching the gospel zealously and constantly telling everybody what to do and what to believe like judgmental busybodies full of fire and brimstone.

The next time one of them uses the term, he or she should be asked if the person they are referring to is a preacher of some sort or somebody who walks around reading the gospel aloud to people, or are they simply talking about one of the millions upon millions of ordinary Christians in this country.

I will bet you a good part of the population doesn't even know what "evangelical" means.


27 posted on 11/09/2006 2:27:05 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

All Christians are evangelicals.

1. Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament.


28 posted on 11/09/2006 2:38:15 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Caipirabob

I think Caipirabob is more on the money than Dick Armey.


29 posted on 11/09/2006 2:39:08 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Jezebelle

Thank God that Evangelicals are not ordinary Christians!


30 posted on 11/09/2006 2:41:08 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (John Gibson is right. " If the Democrats win the terrorist win.")
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To: lentulusgracchus
And, with the dems in charge TERROR in this country is going to be on the rise and will come head on in the hinterlands this time.
31 posted on 11/09/2006 2:43:07 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (John Gibson is right. " If the Democrats win the terrorist win.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Republicans also suffered the NORMAL PARTY IN POWER LOSSES

The problem I see is that we lost that 1994 passion along with the 1994 representatives. The core base of the party is full of folks who would rather not have control because they find it easier to be in opposition to everything.

We have a strong group of "pure conservatives" and libertarians on this board who seem to hate being the controlling party. Just like liberals, Bush and congress never did anything right. They take exception to virtually every descision by finding a cloud in every silver lining.

32 posted on 11/09/2006 2:44:09 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: ClaireSolt
Contemporary Usage The term �evangelical� is generally applied in three different senses: The first meaning of "evangelical" is in reference to all Christians who affirm a few key doctrines and practical emphases: � conversion, or "the belief that lives need to be changed"; � the Bible, or the "belief that all spiritual truth is to be found in its pages"; � activism, or the dedication of all believers, including laypeople, to lives of service for God, especially as manifest in evangelism (spreading the good news) and mission (taking the gospel to other societies); � crucicentrism, or the conviction that Christ's death was the crucial matter in providing reconciliation between a holy God and sinful humans. (2) The second sense in which the term is used is as the generic name for a group of movements and religious traditions. Within this context "evangelical" includes such disparate groups as Pentecostals, Baptists, Dutch Calvinists, Catholic charismatics, and non-denominational �mega-church� members. The third sense of the term is as the self-ascribed label for a coalition that arose during the Second World War a reaction against the perceived anti-intellectual separatist, belligerent nature of the fundamentalist movement in the 1920s and 1930s. Originally dubbed �neo-evangelicalism�, this group included such leaders as Billy Graham and Carl F.H. Henry, such institutions as the Moody Bible Institute and Wheaton College, and such publications as Christianity Today. (2) http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/000792.html
33 posted on 11/09/2006 2:47:19 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Zakeet
Go to hell Armey! Thank God and Grayhound you are gone!

Better advice is: "Don't go back and seek the advice of a dead skunk."
34 posted on 11/09/2006 2:51:22 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (How many babies have we sacrificed to the dims to teach Republican leaders a lesson?)
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To: Zakeet
but responsibility for the conduct of the war lies with the executive branch.

I worked the polls on Tuesday and spoke with hundreds if not thousands of Democrats as they came in to vote.

Maybe the culture of corruption was in the back of their minds, but before they strode into the voting booth, they couldn't help but razz me about "Bush's crazy Iraqi war."

I tried to convince them how shortsighted they sounded, but they were rabidly anti-war.

Many of these people were my friends from over the years, and they were ticked and motivated.

Five years of propaganda from ABC.CBS.MS-DNC will do that to a person, I suppose.

The thing this rout of the GOP says to me is that Fox News and talk radio do not have as much influence on the public as we thought.

Or as I thought, anyway.

35 posted on 11/09/2006 3:12:04 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Zakeet
exit polls suggests widespread voter backlash against the "culture of corruption."

Unfortunately, the Republicans who are more prone to corruption, the entrenched old-timers in the GOP, escaped the purge.

The good new breed of Republicans, many of them got booted after serving perhaps one or two terms.

Or maybe I am just being cynical because our squeaky clean one-term Republican congressman, a father of six, the environmental-friendly pro-life family man Michael Fitzpatrick, LOST by 1200 votes to an abrasive Democrat who does nothing more than throw verbal bombs at any and every person who supports family values.

36 posted on 11/09/2006 3:19:55 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Raycpa
That's misleading. Here's all of it: Main Entry: 1evan·gel·i·cal Pronunciation: "E-"van-'je-li-k&l, "e-v&n- Variant(s): also evan·gel·ic /-ik/ Function: adjective 1 : of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels 2 : PROTESTANT 3 : emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with ritual 4 a capitalized : of or relating to the Evangelical Church in Germany b often capitalized : of, adhering to, or marked by fundamentalism : FUNDAMENTALIST c often capitalized : LOW CHURCH 5 : marked by militant or crusading zeal : EVANGELISTIC - Evan·gel·i·cal·ism /-li-k&-"li-z&m/ noun - evan·gel·i·cal·ly /-li-k(&-)lE/ adverb It doesn't include Catholicism, and it doesn't include people of Christian faith who simply go to church and pray. The emphasis is on spreading the word.
37 posted on 11/09/2006 3:29:22 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: mariabush

Huh?

Evangelicals are ordinary Christians, but ordinary Christians are not necessarily evangelicals at all.

For one thing, Catholics are Christians, but evangelicals are protestants.


38 posted on 11/09/2006 3:31:29 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Caipirabob

Good job.


39 posted on 11/09/2006 3:36:21 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Caipirabob

I agree with most of what you say. Another problem as I see it was the constant attacks against the administration and thr Pubs without anyone challeging one of their lies. It has been proven, through captured documents, that Iraq had WMD and a nuclear program, not a peep out of the WH to counter Dean, Kerry and Pelosi and their lies. I also said two years ago that I thought this would happen, I said it because it is a historical fact that Americans start looking for a change after six years of one party in power. Forget that we are rebuilding Iraq, while fighting terrorists and sectarian factions within the country, as well as treasonous factions within this country. Forget the economy is not busted, in fact, it is doing well and the unemployment rate is good. Forget who broke the economy in the first place. Forget the fact that we have not had a terrorists attack within our borders for a number of years. Evidently many Americans did forgrt those facts.


40 posted on 11/09/2006 3:36:57 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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