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Libertarians Emerge as a Force (Losertarians deep-six the GOP)
The Economist ^ | November 8, 2006 | Unattributed

Posted on 11/08/2006 2:27:12 PM PST by quidnunc

New York – Glum Republicans might turn their attention to the Libertarian Party to vent their anger. Libertarians are a generally Republican-leaning constituency, but over the last few years, their discontent has grown plain. It isn't just the war, which some libertarians supported, but the corruption and insider dealing, and particularly the massive expansion of spending. Mr Bush's much-vaunted prescription drug benefit for seniors, they fume, has opened up another gaping hole in America's fiscal situation, while the only issue that really seemed to energise congress was passing special laws to keep a brain-damaged woman on life support.

In two of the seats where control looks likely to switch, Missouri and Montana, the Libertarian party pulled more votes than the Democratic margin of victory. Considerably more, in Montana. If the Libertarian party hadn't been on the ballot, and the three percent of voters who pulled the "Libertarian" lever had broken only moderately Republican, Mr Burns would now be in office.

Does this mean that the libertarians are becoming a force in national elections, much as Ralph Nader managed to cost Al Gore a victory in 2000? Hope springs eternal among third-party afficionadoes, but the nature of the American electoral system, which directly elects representatives in a first-past-the-post system, makes it nearly impossible for third parties to gain traction. The last time it happened was in the 1850's, when the Whig party dissolved over internal disputes about slavery, opening the way for the emerging Republican party to put Abraham Lincoln in office. And acting as a spoiler is dubiously effective at achieving one's goals. In theory, it could pull the Repubicans towards the Libertarians, but in practice, it may just elect Democrats, pushing the nation's economic policy leftwards.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartylosers; callawhaaambulance; goplosers; greenpartyrejects; lol; losertarians; rinowhino; votecp; waa; waaah
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To: TheLion

republicans are only conservative during elections tho and after enough time people notice such things


381 posted on 11/08/2006 10:55:23 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

All the Democrats who won house seats ran to the right of conservatives!


382 posted on 11/08/2006 10:57:18 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

ironic is'nt it?


383 posted on 11/08/2006 10:58:34 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: TheLion

they took the positions the republicans had abandonded and won..who'd've' thunk it


384 posted on 11/08/2006 11:00:49 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc

It is ironic. Republicans would have not had any problems during this cycle, had they been conservative. Instead, they are out there trying to suck up the Hispanic vote and the moderates. Even legal Hispanics want the damn border shut down! It is very easy to see why we lost.


385 posted on 11/08/2006 11:03:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

easy for you and i perhaps but politicians live in a different world..rose colored glasses doesen't even begin to describe it


386 posted on 11/08/2006 11:05:22 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: TheLion
the republican party in particular being so closely tied to corporations for campaign financing see thing in terms of profit and loss
387 posted on 11/08/2006 11:08:42 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: quidnunc

I could not agree more. Libertarians have no shot at winning anything, including dog catcher. After all, they'd probably smoke the leashes and declare it a right.

I take solace in the fact that though they voted AGAINST Republicans, they are going to get far worse at the hands of the democrats. They thought the Republicans were bad, wait till Pelosi gets her agenda rolling.


388 posted on 11/08/2006 11:40:52 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Libertarian = aid and comfort to the democratic party)
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To: TheLion

Nice liberal answer there... I suppose that you feel that if a product doesn't meet a customer's needs and he goes elsewhere, then he's horrible and it's his fault if the business goes under.

BTW, I know Libertarians who would vote Dem if there were no L party.


389 posted on 11/08/2006 11:43:52 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Nice try, but libertarians are more conservative than liberal.


390 posted on 11/08/2006 11:47:06 PM PST by TheLion
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To: traviskicks

And the GOP nervous breakdown continues apace.


391 posted on 11/09/2006 3:40:20 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: Gondring
Nothing like blaming the Libertarians for the Republicans not following principle enough.

They'll lay blame anywhere, but where it should be laid. Losers always do. Blackbird.

392 posted on 11/09/2006 4:03:03 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: traviskicks; tacticalogic

Is this thread for real? Is it a twisted joke?

Good God, it's like reading the DUmmie Funnies.

aLL Our ElecTION ProbleMs Belong to us!


393 posted on 11/09/2006 4:04:59 AM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: RedStateRocker
3. Use of the word 'stole' is stupid. Prove that those votes'belonged' to the Republican party. The GOP is not 'owed' anything and making it sound like it is 'entitled' to any votes makes you sound just like all the other 'entitlement' people.

It's this, entitlement vote, that is why the GOP got it's hat handed to them. Pure hubris. Will they learn? Blackbird.

394 posted on 11/09/2006 4:10:11 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: Sir Gawain; eleni121; Dane
South Dakota Initiative 4: Allow Medical Marijuana Yes 157,945 No 173,184 Wow, those are some massive defeats. ROTFL Dane is such a dork. The real analysis is that the initiatives are gaining ground and a few more years will see these votes flipped.

Don't smoke a joint, but feel free to abort at will. Pathetic priorities. Blackbird.

395 posted on 11/09/2006 4:12:33 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: samtheman
Why do people think Libertarians would ever vote Republican? They are anti-war, anti-defence and pro-drug. They are not wayward Republican voters. They are not Republican voters at all.

Let me poke a hole in that theory. I am (l)ibertarian to my core, but HAVE voted GOP for 30 years now. So much for that one. Blackbird.

396 posted on 11/09/2006 4:17:21 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

Well, Blackbird, there are exceptions to every rule. I know a lot of Libertarians. The number of possible Republican voters among them is small.


397 posted on 11/09/2006 4:22:18 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Gondring
Obviously the best thing to do here is to shift blame to the libertarians for Republi(cough RINO)can caused losses. Isn't that what the liberals do, it is never their own fault. It is always someone else's. Never take responsibility.

This whole libertarian thing today is a reason why changes need to be made to voting laws. My vote terminates on the winner or the loser. There is a perverse incentive built into the system not to vote for the candidate I prefer and an incentive to vote for the lesser of two evils both of whom I'd rather not vote for at all.

Votes should cascade down a ranking of candidates. For example, say there are constitution party, libertarian party, democrat, republican, socialist---candidates, whose names coincidentally are initialed, C, L, D, R, S, respectively. I want to determine the ranking of the successful candidate who gets my vote. So I rank accordingly. C, L, R. Democrat, socialist, candidates will not get my vote under any condition. If Democrat wins he wins with someone else's vote. If the C, L, R, candidate wins, it is because one of them got my vote. I rank C #1, L #2, R #3.

The votes for C get counted and he loses, my vote doesn't die, it gets inherited by #2: L. He wins and it stops there or he loses and #3: R inherits my vote.

This system would provide incentive to vote for the person you want as #1 without worry that you are throwing your vote away or are taking votes away from the lesser of two evils the only two viable candidates. This system would grant viability to 3rd party candidates who deserve to have some without robbing viability from the two who seem to monopolize it. It would equalize their chances in the fairest possible way. We should be able to implement this system without undermining the electoral college system. Of course when I refer to voting for C, L, or R, I am talking about the delegates.

398 posted on 11/09/2006 4:39:06 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: quidnunc

Apparently Perot taught us NOTHING!


399 posted on 11/09/2006 4:46:20 AM PST by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: 383rr
Is this thread for real? Is it a twisted joke?

It's just a little temper tantrum.

400 posted on 11/09/2006 5:05:34 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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