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1 posted on 11/02/2006 4:53:01 PM PST by jamese777
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If we're all supposed to celebrate diversity and all that, why does he feel compelled to resign?

Why did Mc Greevey resign, if he's proud to be a gay American?

Why did Mark Foley feel compelled to let the world know that he is gay after resigning because of his bad behavior?


If being gay and in an alternative lifestyle is cause for celebration, then why is it a factor in a case like this?


2 posted on 11/02/2006 5:03:56 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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but did he lie about it under oath?


5 posted on 11/02/2006 5:11:52 PM PST by sappy
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According to this article, it appears its the result of the brawl between conservativism and liberalism ongoing in New Life Church and the Neo-Evangelical Association (NAE).
6 posted on 11/02/2006 5:12:45 PM PST by Alia
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timing of this questionable.

This is an excerpt from The Wall Street Journal. Complete article available at http://www.wsj.com.

By Elizabeth Bernstein
Wall Street Journal, Weekend Journal
13 August 2004





The Rev. Ted Haggard, President of the National Association of Evangelicals and senior pastor of New Life Church, Colorado Springs, Colo. Mr. Haggard founded New Life with 20 members in 1985, after having a vision of the church while fasting for three days atop Pikes Peak. Today, the church has 11,000 members, and is building one of the largest church sanctuaries in the state. Mr. Haggard, president of the 30 million-member National Evangelical Association, speaks nationally against abortion and in favor of the war in Iraq, as well as other topics.

The weekly conference call with the White House lets Mr. Haggard, 48, give the administration "the pulse of the evangelical world," he says. One recent Monday, he says, the discussion centered on Sen. Kerry's post-convention polling (participants were delighted there was no large "bump"). "It's useful to communicate," he says.

Mr. Haggard is also trying to boost evangelical voter participation. On Sept. 19, he will co-host a two-hour broadcast encouraging viewers to make it to the polls and to call their congressional representatives in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would ban same-sex marriages. The show will be carried on three Christian television networks and as many as 1,500 Christian radio stations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Haggard makes no secret of his support of President Bush. Of the three framed pictures hanging outside his office, two are of himself and the president. (The other is of himself and Mel Gibson, who pre-screened "The Passion of Christ" at a conference organized by Mr. Haggard.)


8 posted on 11/02/2006 5:18:01 PM PST by Ellesu
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I sincerely hope he is innocent, but for him to step down from the leadership of his church and go under the submission of overseers tells me there is something more to the story that he hasn't yet revealed. Sad if true.
9 posted on 11/02/2006 5:18:19 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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Prayers for his congregation as they sort this out.
The church will always be under attack by the enemy and this is one area the church is vulnerable.


14 posted on 11/02/2006 5:27:37 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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Somewhere, I detect the filthy fingers of Mike Rogers...


18 posted on 11/02/2006 5:46:42 PM PST by RadioCirca1970 (F.U. D.U!)
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I wonder if he shared this guy with Paul Crouch.


20 posted on 11/02/2006 5:48:40 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought)
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Wow - I'll give him the benefit of doubt, and if there is some truth behind it, and he seeks help, I'll forgive him too.


24 posted on 11/02/2006 6:14:14 PM PST by 11th_VA
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Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years.

Well this would be very easy to have the queer specify dates and then see if Haggard had alibis for those dates.

27 posted on 11/02/2006 7:33:35 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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Isn't this faggot one of the so-called "evangelicals" to embrace Global Warming? If so, I hope he rots.


28 posted on 11/02/2006 7:37:43 PM PST by montag813
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The funny thing is that Haggard was both a fag and a leftie tree hugger...why is the left eating one of their own, their own little mole within the "Christian Right"? Dumb move.


30 posted on 11/02/2006 7:45:48 PM PST by montag813
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I can understand why he'd step down for the investigation to have the appearance of propiety. Just because a man is accused does not mean he is guilty.


38 posted on 11/02/2006 8:10:18 PM PST by BLS (You'll never know why you're alive until you know what you would die for.)
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From http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1326038 this morning:

"But KKTV reported late Thursday that acting senior pastor Ross Parsley said Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions. He did not say what Haggard admitted to, the station said.

“There has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed. But there is an admission of some guilt,” Parsley told the Colorado Springs station. "

Doesn't look good.

That said, they are still allegations by a low-life against a seemingly-fine pastor.

55 posted on 11/03/2006 5:41:16 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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It seems very strange that a few days before the voting takes place the republican gays are outed...It is also strange that the liberals have some of the most sickening fags in their party and every last one of them flaunt it in our faces..Time for Fat Perverted Barney Franks to step down..

If this is true about Ted Haggard then he should go if it is not the the person that made the accusations should be sued (but of course that person is more than likely well paid by the democrats for a job well done)It is no longer the people these morons are working for it is the commie organization's that is taking over this country..
56 posted on 11/03/2006 6:05:14 AM PST by Beth528
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First off it is good to see that this issue is being taken on and not being ignored. I am also glad to see that this behavior isn't being spun to show that it really isn't as bad as it looks, plus the DUmmies are much worse(which they are) and that there isn't a huge rush to judgement.


That being said, it doesn't matter to me my positions remain the same as they were this morning before I read the news. The fact that the left will decry this behavior says to me they also believe it is wrong. I am more concerned about the drug use though. I believe on at least the prostitution charges he is being set up.


57 posted on 11/03/2006 6:35:34 AM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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This is a "minor" October surprise, held back to be used only if they need to use it. This morning Nora Odonnald repeatedly referred to Haggard as someone who had "weekly contact" at the White House, in an attempt to smear anyone in the white House and the Party who controls the WKhite House. With Kerry being omnipresent in the media, the dems were desperate to chang the topic of discussion,..soooooo....her we have the dems "Outing" a man as Homosexual while perporting to hold homosexuals in high regard. This was also a 2-fer because it slimes Christians also. Why today????Friday?????3 days before an extremely close election???Answer???the media is trying all it can to elect dems.

Don't ever tell me that the media is 'Just reporting the News".

59 posted on 11/03/2006 8:39:43 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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Here are the full texts of Haggard's voicemails. Why isn't Jones being investigated for dealing meth? Sounds to me like Jones was his dealer, not his gay lover. In the first message, Haggard says he needs to get Jones' address...yet Jones stated that they conducted their 3 year affair at his residence.




The first voice message, left on August 4 at 2:18 p.m., says:

"Hi Mike, this is Art. Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply. And I could pick it up really anytime. I could get it tomorrow or we could wait till next week sometime and so I also wanted to get your address. I could send you some money for inventory but that's probably not working, so if you have it then go ahead and get what you can and I may buzz up there later today, but I doubt your schedule would allow that unless you have some in the house. Okay, I'll check in with you later. Thanks a lot, bye."

The second voice message, left on August 4 at 5:10 p.m., says:

"Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever. I will call though you early next week to see what's most convenient for you. Okay? Thanks a lot, bye."

Jones claims Art is referring to methamphetamine in the messages.

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=ae512d1d-0abe-421a-00b6-9607930153a9&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf


68 posted on 11/03/2006 10:17:02 AM PST by Raebie
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This kind of case, IMO, makes a very good point in favor of having gayness wired in. Here's a guy with incredibly powerful incentives to NOT be gay, yet he can't help himself. Why a small percentage of men prefer another man rather than a female as a sexual partner is, again IMO, NOT a choice. Either a guy loves T&A or doesn't--who REALLY thinks it's a matter of internal discussion?


75 posted on 11/06/2006 10:25:26 AM PST by Pharmboy (Vote American, not Democrat.)
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