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They paved over the dead at Ground Zero...
Take Back the Memorial.org ^ | October 28, 2006 | Tim Sumner

Posted on 10/29/2006 4:35:46 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

...and a few decided to just leave them there.

No matter what you have heard to the contrary, more than five years after 9/11, the Deutsche Bank building has not been fully searched. New York City's official spokespeople are playing word games and many in the media are their echo chambers. When the South Tower fell, massive amounts of debris fell on and into that building, leaving huge beams precariously hanging out over Cedar Street and a twenty floor gouge in the building's north face. When the first big crane approached nearby West and Liberty, the ground shook beneath it. They smartly backed off and engineers soon determined that the bathtub's walls adjacent West and Liberty Streets were unstable. If they had collapsed, the Hudson River might have flooded the Pit and much of Manhattan's rail lines, power grid, and water and sewer systems.

Ground Zero viewed 9 12 2001 from West and Liberty Streets

That did not stop the FDNY. They climbed inside the Deutsche Bank, crawled where they could, and conducted what all that I have spoken with described as a hands-on, visual inspection. While they were accustomed to moving within dangerous places, environmental tests showed extreme levels of toxins. On September 17, 2001, one day after the photo below was taken, they were ordered out. They cursed aloud, swore oaths to return, and repositioned.

the north facade of the Deutsche Bank building September 16 2001

When it was safer, heavy cranes pulled the steel from the building's facade and removed what they could reach from the outside. The building was draped with a heavy, transparent shroud to contain the materials inside and someone hung the sign in the photograph below. It was still there one year after 9/11.

We will never forget them. We will never forget you

The sign is gone now but not the sentiment. We will never forget the grunts of Ground Zero, those magnificent men and women who endured so much, knocked down that Pile, left no stone in the Pit unturned, and brought so many out to us. Their loyalty and love cost many of them their physical health; it cost none of them their honor.

Mayor Bloomberg has been conned. He has been persuaded to place in charge of the renewed search the same agencies that paved over the dead and callously left them there for five years.

Yet the grunts of Ground Zero have not forgotten the fallen or what they saw down there. If you were there and, like a growing list of witnesses, can provide information that will help bring the fallen from that place, please email me, Tim Sumner, at admin@911familiesforamerica.org

I also know the meaning of the word 'honor' and whether we talk on or off the record will be entirely up to you.

Author's note: Please pass the word about this article, bookmark Take Back the Memorial.org and check in there often yourself for updates. -- Tim Sumner, a.k.a. Sergeant Tim


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; bloomberg; groundzero; humanremains; victimculture
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To: Sergeant Tim

Oh, please. As terrible as it sounds, there have to be remains of the victims all over Manhattan. There's no way to recover everything. Those who worked to recover remains did the very best they could at the time. All of this complaining is uncalled for.


81 posted on 10/29/2006 9:01:24 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Sergeant Tim

They obviously didn't do it on purpose! Take your anger out on the perpetrators, not New York!


82 posted on 10/29/2006 9:04:26 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: gregwest
That's why it should be left as a permanent memorial garden instead of building commercial buildings on it again. Imagine someone coming in and building a skyscraper at Arlington.

Arlington National Cemetary was designed as an insult and intentional slap at the Confederacy. In case you're unaware of the former owner of that property, it was General Robert E. Lee (well, actually his wife). While the property was initially confiscated by the government, the SCOTUS eventually held that it had been taken without due process, and the ownership of the property was granted to a decendant of General Lee. Eventually, he sold it back to the government.

Remember, that the WTC was private property. Making it a "permanant memorial garder" would in effect be stealing some of the most expensive property on the face of the earth. Or would have have the government buy it?

Mark

83 posted on 10/29/2006 9:17:41 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: olde north church
The airlines couldn't find room in the budget for air marshalls. Now the American taxpayer is paying for that. Why should I subsidize safety for something I don't use? ...corporatists are worse then communists.

True, people who don't fly shouldn't have to subsidize onboard marshalls.

That said, I'm betting these airline companies pay out alot more in taxes then they receive.

84 posted on 10/29/2006 9:22:20 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: olde north church
The airlines WERE responsible for the safety of passengers who paid to travel on that mode of transportation. If the airplane dropped an engine or a wing fell off, the airlines would be responsible. The airlines were negligent in providing a reasonable level of protection. This wasn't the first time an airline had been hijacked, the risk existed. The airlines couldn't find room in the budget for air marshalls. Now the American taxpayer is paying for that. Why should I subsidize safety for something I don't use? You corporatists are worse then communists.

The Airlines were victims of the Muslims. People who used to own three airplanes no longer do. The Airline was doing what it contracted with the passengers to do, move them from one place to another. The Muslims broke the law, did wrong and are the ones responsible for what happened. Bleeding hearts moping along looking for deep pockets to sue, are a plague on society along with the terrorist.

Cars get hijacked occasionally, it is a known threat, and can happen anywhere, even to a safety conscious person. Of course you would hold the car owner responsible, and never the car jacker.

Congress should of passed a law protectecting the airlines from frivolous law suits, because the terrorist are to blame, and should not of paid off the 9/11 families if they agreed to to sue.

As far as subsidizing the airline industry goes, we could deal with a lot less subsidizers of Farmers, Airlines, Steel Makers ...

85 posted on 10/29/2006 9:32:53 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
In addition to recovering all the remains, I'd like to see a HUGE memorial to the defenseless souls who were murdered by the muslim barbarians.

Not gonna happen. Don't forget that the memorial to Flight 93 is already an Islamist shrine replete with a Mecca-pointing red crescent. And the 9/11 memorial is already shaping up to be an America-bashing multi-culti venue that does everything short of demanding our honored dead convert to Islam.

86 posted on 10/29/2006 9:42:30 AM PST by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Take your anger out on the perpetrators, not New York!

Personally, I have a hard time getting worked up over anything detrimental to New York anymore. After suffering the brunt of the terrorist attack on 9/11, those clowns still went Democrat in 2004 and continue to be a liberal hellhole that can't wait to bend over and take it up the tailpipe for the Islamic Jihad. To hell with them.

87 posted on 10/29/2006 9:45:31 AM PST by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: gregwest
That's why it should be left as a permanent memorial garden instead of building commercial buildings on it again.

The best Memorial would be to rebuild the World Trade Center as it was, with a plaque in the lobby.

88 posted on 10/29/2006 9:53:06 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: FreeReign

Are you an engineer?


89 posted on 10/29/2006 10:49:26 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"They obviously didn't do it on purpose!"

Actually, they did.

90 posted on 10/29/2006 10:51:49 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: FreeReign

Are you a construction worker who was there?


91 posted on 10/29/2006 10:53:23 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Doe Eyes
The best Memorial would be to rebuild the World Trade Center as it was, with a plaque in the lobby.

Damn right.

Ground Zero is not holy ground.

92 posted on 10/29/2006 10:53:39 AM PST by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: FreeReign

Have you read about the potential collapse of Ground Zero's bathtub? If not and you'd like, I'll provide you links to who says they could have collapsed and what that would have caused.


93 posted on 10/29/2006 10:55:38 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
They just left paved over fill taken from Ground Zero unchecked for remains and declared the recovery operation over. That is not acceptable in the America I live in.

You should see some of the churches they have in Europe:

When the graveyards fill up, they dig up all the remains and put them in an ossuary, sometimes making sculptures out of them.

94 posted on 10/29/2006 11:11:40 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Sergeant Tim

There are still sailor's bodies trapped in the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Should we salvage it so that we can retrieve the bodies or is it best left there as a monument to those who gave their lives so that we can be free?


95 posted on 10/29/2006 11:14:05 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

That is why I do not live in Europe.


96 posted on 10/29/2006 11:14:15 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Chuck54

I agree with everything you said.

There comes a time when you just have to make a choice to move ahead; if you don't, you end up becoming a "Jersey Girl" and your life will be destroyed.


97 posted on 10/29/2006 11:14:40 AM PST by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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To: Howlin

Sorry. I'm from PA, male, and actually for America. No chance of any of that changing in this life and I believe this one is all I get.


98 posted on 10/29/2006 11:21:38 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Huh?


99 posted on 10/29/2006 11:25:39 AM PST by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
In addition to recovering all the remains, I'd like to see a HUGE memorial to the defenseless souls who were murdered by the muslim barbarians. It should be a statement to their savagery for all time, especially when the muslim hordes take over Europe and start trying to deny what they did on 9/11.

We should build the towers back exactly as they were but one story higher. 111 stories.

100 posted on 10/29/2006 11:26:19 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for President Bush and our country.)
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