Posted on 10/29/2006 4:35:46 AM PST by Sergeant Tim
Sounds like you don't have a good argument or any new information that might change my mind about this. I have nothing against your point of view but I think you lack perspective.
Very well then, I will take that lack of any reasonable ability to add new information as confirmation of what I said and I will continue thinking it.
So, when you signed those papers, you took a bribe. Correct?
You lumped in every 9/11 family member with your statement. That is what I object to. My sister-in-law did not want to spend the next 10 or 20 years in litigation. She had kids to raise and hearts, including hers, to heal.
Yes, I have an agenda. Take (here) a guess what it is.
WE should have started REBUILDING the towers, only even taller, the same day they fell.
Go to his website. Anti-left, anti-Murtha, pro troops.
Oh my, someone who chose not to sue the airlines perhaps?
If one knows the events of 9/11 were the cause of the terrorist, there would be no need to agree to not sign a form not to sue the airlines, because you would not of sued them any way. Now if there was a chance you were to sue them, it would mean you did not hold the Muslims completely responsible, and then you would not be running a web site blaming the terrorists... OH my!
We blame terrorists for 9/11. What I want from them has nothing to do with money.
Litigation suing who? Were you hoping to sue Bin Laden, or are you talking about suing the Airlines?
I did not have any relatives die in the attacks.
Did you Sister in Law sign the forms?
The way I see it your sister in law did not have to spend 5 seconds in litigation if she would of chosen not to sue anyone.
What the terrorists wanted had nothing to do with money either. They had a thing against skyscrapers and all they represented and wanted to turn New York into a meadow, same as their stinking caves over in the statue-desecrated Afghani badlands. They wanted that.
I really didn't realize that there were areas that were not searched. JPAC should be able to help put a proper light on the whole thing. Without research my cousin would have never returned home from WWII thirty years later.
We have agendas that have to do with defending America. Perhaps others have different ones. I do not speak for them
Antarctica has the remains of pre-byrd expeditions too. it must remain a antarctic memorial garden /s
That has to be a hard thing not to do, though. Among the 3000 dead, all it takes is one leftwinger to threaten to sue and win, and if he does, the others feel like chumps. They have to sign on, too. I don't blame them, I don't know what else their alternatives were, other than to watch leftwingers benefit while they didn't. They had to get on the bandwagon if one leftist was initiating a lawsuit. Otherwise the leftist would get money and they wouldn't. I can't heap too much judgment on them for that just because of the group dynamic.
That said, I think the dead should be recovered to the extent possible, no one should be endangered recovering the dead, the economic life of the city should not shut down, the bathtub should not be broken and the city flooded just to recover the remains and the skyscrapers should be built. The one thing that should not happen is that dynamic, unique lower Manhattan be turned into a disgusting tourist meadow with no economic activity just as the terrorists wanted, turning Manhattan into a New York version of a taliban cave.
In answer to your last question, she did not sue the government and never would. Beyond that, I will not discuss her personal business.
No, I was 2 blocks away when the planes hit. I watched dozens of people jump to their deaths, and breathed the smell of the dead for days. I had many friends and associates die that day. I know damn well what the fight is about. Clearly you didn't read my post. I said enough is enough, that we shouldn't shut down the building everytime they find a 1mm shard of bone. Because that's what's it down to at this point. I have a friend who rented an apartment 6 blocks from the WTC and 3 years after 9/11 they found tiny bone fragments on their roof. There is no end to it. It is horrible and unprecedented. But we have to go on, respect the dead, and honor them by building a new site worthy of their memory and the cause for which we fight.
I am talking about signing a form in agreement not to sue the airlines, in exchange for a taxpayer funded pile of cash. Not about suing the government. It should be a simple mater to tell the truth. You said "My sister-in-law did not want to spend the next 10 or 20 years in litigation. She had kids to raise and hearts, including hers, to heal.", this would imply that she took the cash, otherwise litigation would of never entered the picture. Taking of public funds, should be a public mater. If she did not take any whats the big deal in saying she did not? Odds are however that she did because most people jumped for a chance at the cash, I know, kids to raise and hearts to heal.
One other thing - due to the nature of New York, where people come from other countries and live their dreams - there wouldn't be no economic activity except by decree. The chiclet sellers and tourist trinket makers would be fully in business, doing a brisk business at that, making THAT the economic activity of lower Manhattan instead of the great activity that was happening. Afghanistan is loaded with chiclet sellers and trinker hawkers, that's the level of economic activity that goes on over there. To turn the capital of capitalism into a trinket-selling mecca, despite the idea that it would be a meadow, is to misunderstand the nature of New York and what it is and always will be.
In short, either you can have Goldman Sachses and Deutsche banks, moving the great capital financing around the world and launching new businesses and powering the efficient use of money so that everyone can have a retirement account, or you can have chiclet sellers selling tourist trinkets.
The idealists might THINK they can ensure no chiclet sellers as they envision their talibanic meadows but that is unrealistic, given the nature of New York, the INHERENT nature of New York with all its huckster and immigrants and people on the move. They will find a way to make money off it. They can have goldman saches or they can have trinket hawkers because no matter what is decided, economic activity will continue to buzz. It is human nature.
Do you hear what you are saying? As long as someone else writes the ransom note it's ok to share in the booty? Sorry I don't buy it. Not everyone signed on.
What was callously and deliberately left as Ground Zero is far from "unretrievable."
The remains found at the WTC site are most likely only a small percentage of those that were left at Fresh Kills.
Despite the relatively fine sifting that was performed there, remains had to survive being run over by bulldozers and compacted into the landfill in order to reach the sifting.
Fields of debris were dumped and spread, workers would then walk through the fields, with time to make only one pass before the debris was pushed into a pile and a new load dumped. Unfortunately, the ground was very wet and muddy from continual watering to keep the dust down.
When the next load was spread out, any remains left over from the previous load were compacted into the mud. It was frustrating to have seen remains but were unable to pick them up because your hands were full, and the debris was scooped up before you could return from the temporary morgue.
I can't speak for those who managed the project, and don't know if they were aware that the pace of deliveries resulted in remains being left behind, but nobody with whom I worked in those debris fields ever callously, or deliberately left anything behind.
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