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U.S. Muslims moving into prime-time politics
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/reuters10-27-051908.asp?t=renew&vts=102720060810 ^

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:25:18 AM PDT by zippy the razor

''Muslim-Americans are emerging as a voice to be recognized in American society,'' she said. ''I don't think they have power yet. You must first acknowledge you have a right to be part of the discourse. They are working on that now and to some degree they have attained that.'' ''But there are a lot of people who don't want that voice to emerge,''

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1 posted on 10/27/2006 8:25:19 AM PDT by zippy the razor
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To: zippy the razor
''But there are a lot of people who don't want that voice to emerge,''

Soon to be beheaded.
2 posted on 10/27/2006 8:27:35 AM PDT by Borges
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To: zippy the razor

Muslims? American society? No f-ing way.


3 posted on 10/27/2006 8:29:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: zippy the razor

"A recent poll found that 42 percent of Muslim voters were Democrats compared with 17 percent Republicans, with 28 percent having no party affiliation. "


4 posted on 10/27/2006 8:29:09 AM PDT by digger48
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To: zippy the razor

one more 9/11 type terrorist attack in America and the only "moving" the Muslims will be doing is back to whatever hellhole they originated from.


5 posted on 10/27/2006 8:31:27 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: zippy the razor
''But there are a lot of people who don't want that voice to emerge,''

Gee, I wonder why? Could it be (in part) because of statements like this?:

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting.....If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

- Omar Ahmad (Co-founder CAIR)

""I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

- Ibrahim Hooper (CAIR Spokesperson)

6 posted on 10/27/2006 8:33:20 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: EagleUSA
Muslims? American society? No f-ing way.

Homo-sexuals? American society? No f-ing way.
Saddam sympathizers? American society? No f-ing way.
Parents prevented from being notified of their teenagers abortion by law? American society? No f-ing way.
A TV Network attacked for providing 'balanced' viewpoints? merican society? No f-ing way.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke.

7 posted on 10/27/2006 8:34:03 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke.
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The story of our country and its mainly passive citizenry.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 8:35:51 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: zippy the razor
''But there are a lot of people who don't want that voice to emerge,''
The more I learn of Muslims the less I like them and their religion of peace. Personally I don't agree with their beliefs, burkas, veils, head scarfs or beheading. So do I want to hear their voices emerge...H LL NO !!!!
9 posted on 10/27/2006 8:37:33 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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Islam just cannot survive in a free society....it doesn't work.


10 posted on 10/27/2006 8:39:47 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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G-d help them if they do something else. I'LL go in the streets and start something.


11 posted on 10/27/2006 8:42:27 AM PDT by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: zippy the razor
''But there are a lot of people who don't want that voice to emerge,''

Count me among them, absolutely and permanently.

I am among those who realize that the democratic process, in a free republic, cannot be allowed to be used ultimately to erase the democratic process itself.

I can't fault the sandmaggots for misunderstanding this simple fact. I do fault the remarkable number of ignorant brain-dead Americans who go along with the "gag".

It's called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And it sets limits even for the courts. No amount of creative "interpretation" will make those two documents go away, and no amendments can be made to it to allow shari'a.

12 posted on 10/27/2006 8:42:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: zippy the razor
All Americans have a voice. Polls and election day. Start setting up parallel institutions then we have a problem.

Radical Islam finds US to be 'sterile ground'

13 posted on 10/27/2006 8:43:26 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: zippy the razor
"You must first acknowledge you have a right to be part of the discourse."

I don't think Sharia allows that.

14 posted on 10/27/2006 8:44:29 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("We will slaughter anyone who calls Islam violent!")
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To: Blue Turtle
Islam just cannot survive in a free society....it doesn't work.

The same is true in reverse...A free society cannot survive Islam.....

15 posted on 10/27/2006 8:45:23 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Blue Turtle
Islam just cannot survive in a free society....it doesn't work.

It can't work. But in the minds of the limited-intelligence animals on two legs, they are fixated on the "democratic" idea. If they all vote to abolish our accustomed Constitutional freedoms, in their simple animal minds that's all it takes.

The behavior of some state supreme courts of recent tends to encourage that sort of cultural and political cognitive dissonance.

16 posted on 10/27/2006 8:49:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: digger48
All the more easily for some imans to capitalize on the looseness of the Democrats on "national security" and their ideas about "political correctness" for this country, and we'll end up just like the whole of Europe right now. Europe where even the Germans who are not in Iraq feel threatened by the muslims in their country.

Am currently reading As Europe Slept and what an eye opener!

While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within,

by Bruce Bawer.

New York: Doubleday, 2006. $23.95, 247pp., ISBN 0-385-51472-7

Bawer (Stealing Jesus, A Place at the Table) isn't the first to raise the alarm about Europe's self-destructive appeasement of radical Islam. Tony Blankley covered similar ground in last year's The West's Last Chance. And, Ralph Peters considers—before rudely dismissing—Europe's latest follies in his wider-ranging New Glory. The problem of Europe's impending cultural suicide, however, is crucial enough to merit considerable analysis, and Bawer brings a unique perspective to the task.

A native New Yorker, Bawer moved to Europe in 1998 and has lived there (Netherlands and Norway) since. He also has traveled extensively throughout the continent and talked to scores of Europeans. He admires European culture as only an expatriate can and fervently hopes it can be saved.

The story is familiar by now but deserves repeating. Like a Trojan horse, radical Islam has slipped into Europe and threatens to destroy it from within. Muslims, who make up a substantial (and rapidly growing) minority in Western Europe, often refuse to assimilate and are contemptuous of European democracy and values. European elites, blinded by a politically correct, ironclad multiculturalism, compound the problem by tolerating Muslim intolerance as a cultural prerogative.

In their blind rush to appease their Muslim minorities, European governments not only overlook intolerance but also female genital mutilation, forced marriages, and other physical abuse of women. The problem is that appeasement only encourages worse behavior.

Bawer finds several causes for this self-destructive "denial and appeasement." There's the multiculturalism of the elite, of course, that refuses to admit that all cultural practices are not equal. Then, there's Western Europe's "vicious, irrational, and twisted . . . American hatred" and instinctive anti-Semitism. "Muslims are more popular than Jews" among Western European elites, Bawer claims.

Will Europe wake up to the danger posed by radical Islam in time or continue to drift toward Eurabia? Bawer admits that recent warnings—the Madrid and London terrorist bombings and the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh—seem to have done little to shake Europe awake. But, he remains hopeful because he seems to believe that the U.S. will ultimately be lost without Western Europe. He offers no compelling reason for such a conclusion though.

Peters, who notes many of the same symptoms of European morbidity in New Glory, comes to a radically different conclusion. Dismissing Europe as beyond help, Peters argues, "Our security does not lie in preserving a loathsome Eurocentric past, but in building a better future elsewhere." For Peters that elsewhere lies mainly in Latin America, Africa, and the Indian Ocean.

Regardless of who is right about Europe's future and its impact on America, it is an important, perhaps crucial, issue that needs to be explored and debated. This is first and foremost Europe's problem and they have to deal with it. If they refuse to be roused from their slumber, then so be it.

Peters wrote as a critic of modern Europe, but Bawer writes as a friend and a neighbor. If Europe won't listen to him, it might not wake up in time to save itself. And, unlike the last time Europeans ignored the rise of fascists within (the subject of the late John F. Kennedy's While England Slept), the Americans won't be able to bail them out this time.

While Europe Slept Tom Miller | March 29, 2006 http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,92623,00.html

Copyright 2006 Tom Miller. All opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily reflect those of Military.com.

Also good interview via FrontPage Magazine:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22563

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Bruce Bawer, a New York writer who has lived in Europe since 1998.

17 posted on 10/27/2006 8:55:39 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: zippy the razor
Give it time... one generation. There will be the same bombings and burnings here in the USA by muslims that took place a year ago in France.

I'm glad I live in the country. If some bearded moozie like this guy steps on my property, he's toast.


18 posted on 10/27/2006 8:57:42 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Blue Turtle
Islam just cannot survive in a free society....it doesn't work.

I understand the point you're making about incompatibility, but Islam actually survives just fine in a free society - in fact, it finds considerable shelter there. Certainly, nobody there will act to drive it away, or in any way limit its growth or influence. Why, that might hurt somebody's feelings.

Once Islam becomes a large enough presence in any land where a free society has permitted it to take root and flourish, it is that free society which discovers, belatedly it seems, that it cannot survive in close proximity to Islam.

We refuse to heed the lessons of history (and recent events, too) at our own significant peril.

19 posted on 10/27/2006 8:59:59 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: zippy the razor
Islam is the new Nazism. We cannot allow it to take hold of American politics. Like liberalism being a big and in your face voice and how they turned institutions upside down. God has been removed from the classroom, abortion, usurping of states rights and individual rights. If Islam becomes big here, anything that disagrees will be met with much more violence and even the courts could have a case where Sharia law would be upheld contrary to our Constitutional freedoms.
20 posted on 10/27/2006 9:02:09 AM PDT by CORedneck
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