[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

JPFO's answer to some responses to their previous alert, which does not go into as much detail as this one does.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

PING!

[rellimpank]

-bflr-

[Carry_Okie]

Good. I didn't have to write it. The key problem is that it is possible for the government to deem a citizen a UEC. It must be fixed.

[ml/nj]

"Arab and Iranian Muslims must be exterminated. Any law that remotely points in that direction is good. That you and the U.S. Government coddle Muslim scum is an insult to civilization." Does anyone fail to see the parallel between 1930's Germany and our present society within this statement?

Yeah, me.

I am the son of a refugee from Berlin. He was at school in England when his parents left Germany for good on the day that would turn into the Night of Broken Glass. Some others in my family chose to stay, and they died.

I do.

You see neither my grandparents, nor my father, nor even any insignificant number of Jews ever threatened any Germans. In fact my family, and most other Jewish families, were Germans first just as I am an American first.

But what of the Muslims here? Are they Americans first? Will they even publicly denounce the attack on the World Trade Center? And by they I mean more than ten percent of the Muslims here. Will they tell us that Sharia Law for the United States is not only the farthest thing from their mind, but that they would oppose its implementation here? What about their book, and their tradition which celebrates death of those who do not submit?

Do we do that in Torah?

The Talmud counsels, "When someone come to kill you, kill him first." Open your eyes. This advice is for us today.

ML/NJ

[mrsmith]

"Note that this definition (much broader than previously-used definitions) contains NO exception for American citizens."

Much of this lying crap can be answered by looking at the floor debate:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_cr/s092706.html

Mr. WARNER."We expanded this definition of ``unlawful enemy combatant'' ... It is wrong to say that this provision captures any U.S. citizens. It does not. It is only directed at aliens--aliens, not U.S. citizens-- bomb-makers, wherever they are in the world; those who provide the money to carry out the terrorism, wherever they are--again, only aliens and those who are preparing and using so many false documents."

[mrsmith]

Graham: "Under no circumstance can an American citizen be tried in a military commission. The jurisdiction of military commissions does not allow for the trial of American citizens or lawful combatants, and those who say otherwise, quite frankly, have not read the legislation because there is a prohibition to that happening. "

[zook]

This is easy. Franklin was right about many things, but he was wrong about this. We all make temporary tradeoffs between liberty and freedom. We do this all the time on an individual basis, and we allow our government to do so as well, even in this free society.

There are many many instances throughout our history where during war time we have placed restrictions on due process in very limited circumstances. I'm sure we've erred from time to time, but there has been no slippery slope.

Slogans, like Franklin's, are cheap substitutes for rational thinking. I don't blame him. I blame those who would take his clever but narrowly framed assertion and apply it like so much whitewash. He might just as easily have said the converse--those who would give up their safety for some temporary liberty deserve neither. In today's world, with the threat posed by radical Islam, our liberty will certainly be temporary if we do not use every reasonable tool to defend ourselves.