Posted on 10/22/2006 9:19:37 PM PDT by freedomdefender
In a press conference Sunday, Republican 47th District congressional candidate Tan Nguyen said he will not abandon his bid for a seat in Congress.
Agents raided Nguyen's campaign offices last week in connection with a probe into a letter sent to Hispanic voters claiming it is illegal for immigrants to vote.
Nguyen said he has done nothing illegal and did not send the letter.
A criminal investigation is under way, NBC4 reported.
An Orange County Republican party official called on Nguyen Thursday to withdraw from his race against Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Garden Grove, because of the letter.
It is illegal for immigrants, legal or illegal, to vote, unless they are naturalized citizens.
The letter was perhaps worded awkwardly, but it did encourage citizens to vote at the very start, so I don't see what the problem is.
Tan Nguyen is great, I really liked it when he did Cat Scratch Fever.
It doesn't specifically mention naturalized citizens. I says ONLY citizens can vote, not immigrants and illegals. If that confuses those that worked their butts off becoming citizens, I would be very surprised. Voting is one of the carrots the system gives to those becoming citizens, and they treasure it.
"Resident aliens" cannot vote. ONLY US citiznes can vote. Once one has become a citizen they are no longer an immigrant as they have surpassed being an "immigrant" and fullfilled all the obligations of attaining citizenship. Am I missing something here?
From the other thread, I believe these are the problematic sentences: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time and you will be deported for voting without having a right to do so." and "At the same time, you are advised that the government of the United States is installing a new computer system to verify the names of all new registered voters that vote in the October and November elections. Anti-immigration organizations can ask for information from this new computer system." (According to the OC Register, there isn't such a system.)
The beginning sentences do encourage citizens to vote.
Loretta Sanchez got the job from Bob Dornan and was accused of receiving votes of illegals. Dornan lost the seat by 984 votes.
This just in: Pasty O'Reilly and Pale Nanook have resigned.
Once one has become a citizen they are no longer an immigrant
Not according to the American Heritage Dictionary: "A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another."
An immigrant is still an immigrant whether citizen or not, although many people would use "naturalized citizen," which says it all.
Monday's headline:
"Coppertone Candidacy Continues"
"I have learned that the letter in question was the Spanish translation of a letter in English urging green-card holders and illegal immigrants to not vote. What is wrong with that."From an attorney (Braniff) commenting on the letter on behalf of the campaign:"There is now some debate to what the Spanish translation really means, especially when it comes to the word 'emigrado'."
"I took a long walk last night along the beach and I met many hispanics. I asked about the word 'emigrado' and what it means. . . . it either means a person with a green card, or they are just here legally but they are not a citizen. This is also a term that is used by the U.S. Government's immigration services agents who would ask those who cross our borders whether they are a citizen or an "emigrado"--a person who is here legally but with only a greencard."
"... investigation has indicated that someone connected with Mr. Nguyen's campaign did draft a letter in English... that letter was given to a respectable Spanish translator... to translate into Spanish... with the Mexican idiom... "Braniff reading the "original English version of the draft" (saying he would limit himself to the relevant parts and not read it in its entirety..
You are receiving this letter because you recently registered to vote. If you are a citizen of the U.S., we encourage you to participate in the democratic process.Other tidbits:However, if you are here illegally, or are just a resident with a green-card, you should be advised that voting at any federal election is a crime.
Recent survey conducted by Public Opinion Strategies found:
• Neck and neck with opponent Ms. SanchezRegarding Scott Baugh, OC GOP Chairman:
• Leading by 13% among voters 100% sure that they will be casting ballots.
• Didn't wait for results of investigationQuestions not answered:
• Didn't call Nguyen to get his side of story
• Why was the letter sent on forged letterhead of another group?A bad move, IMO:
• Why did and LAPD officer pay for the letter?
• Apologized to his office manager that he had discharged
• Invited them to rejoin the campaign.With respect to his office manager, he said "her forwarding of the database without my knowledge was a mistake...." That seems to imply that she was not the author of the letter or the mastermind behind this effort. More facts to come, for sure!
That's my understanding. In Spanish vernacular an "immigrado" is a non-U.S. citizen, either an illegal or a resident alien with a green card. Neither is entitled to vote. But translating it back into English it comes out as "immigrant," which has an entirely different meaning. The Rats know the difference but they've attended Barbara Boxer's Dirty Politics summer camp. She taught Sanchez all the dirty tricks in the book.
Oops... here is a link to the audio of the press conference from which I took the notes above... the first 8 1/2 minutes (of 30 minutes) are chatter preceding the conference.
WARNING>>> 20MB file!
http://www.ocblog.net/Tan_Nguyen_press_Conference.wav
The word used by the translator (to translate "green card holder") was "emigrado", as included in the final Spanish version of the letter. See quotes in #30.
Save for tomorrow. Thanks!
I believe that in legalese an "immigrant" is not allowed to vote. A "naturalized citizen" is allowed to vote. "Immigrant" refers to documented and undocumented aliens, neither of which can legally vote. I may be wrong on this, but I think I have the correct terms.
Legal immigrants (i.e Green card holders) and illegal immigrants can not.
Once you become a Citizen you would say your no longer an "immigrant" but a foreign born Citizen...
But the better term would be Citizen vs Alien resident
Citizens can vote, legal and illegal aliens can not.
You're correct. I was thinking "legal immigrant who has become a citizen".
My bad.
Sanchez - Friend of Hillary...
Could it be sabotage???
What's the connection to the recent
scandal with Sanchez's opponent?
What if Tan Nguyen was set up????
All it takes is editing in a few words
and down goes another GOOD one.
Hillary 2008... The Heat is On!
Being an immigrant, even if legally, does not necessarily mean you are allowed to vote. Not all immigrants are naturalized citizens, and unless the immigrants are naturalized citizens, then they are not allowed to vote.
Which is true, if by immigrants you mean non-citizen immigrants.
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