Posted on 10/22/2006 8:35:40 AM PDT by excludethis
Per the way Newsweek asks poll questions, pundits argue 51% of Americans Support the Democrats pursuing the Impeachment of Bush.
Actual Poll Question and Results:
As I read you some things the Democrats might do over the next two years if they take control of Congress, please tell me if you think each should be one of their TOP priorities, a lower priority, or should not be done at all.
Impeaching George W. Bush
Top Lower Not DK priority priority done
Current Total 28 23 44 5 =100 Republicans 5 15 78 2 =100 Democrats 47 25 23 5 =100 Independents 27 26 44 3 =100
I agree. Giving the uninformed a vote is like giving hand grenades to a monkey.
Of those sampled, 282 identified themselves as Republicans, 349 as Democrats and 330 as Independents.
28% Republicans, 35% Democrats, 33% 'Independents'... UGH. These polls should be used as toilet paper. This isn't news, it is media propaganda.
Per your reference they wrote
"and 28 percent say that impeaching George W. Bush should be a top concern."
Not 51%?
Horse manure. I'd be surprised if 51% of those who voted for Kerry even thought Bush should be impeached.
But if they smoked them out the poll wouldn't have garnered the results they were after.
probably true if you poll Berkley residents only
The office holders of both parties believe that election winners are determined by the media. Thus Republicans try to please the media.
If the Democrats win this election, both parties will be convinced that the only way to win is to please the media. The media knows this is true and is trying very hard to suppress the Republican turn out.
The only way to reverse this belief is to cause office holders to understand that they must please voters rather than the media. We must elect every candidate with an R by his or her name.
If the Republicans hold the house and senate, office holders of both parties will understand that they must please voters. They will have convincing proof that bowing down to the media is a prescription for defeat. If Republicans win both parties will move to the right. Democratic party officials are to the left of the Democratic base but not to the left of the media. If they find that Republicans have defeated the media they will move to the right. Republicans will clearly understand that the media cannot defeat them. They will have real proof that the voters are in control.
Unlike today where elected officials of both parties suck up the the media, elected officials of both parties will understand that they must please the voters.
If Republicans hold the Senate, some Democrats who have opposed everything Republicans try to do will be inclined to vote with Republicans on cloture. They will fear going against the voters. Republicans will try to enact the things the voters want enacted and a few Democrats will help them.
On the other hand if Democrats win control, both parties will move to the left. Their belief that the media controls the outcome of elections will be confirmed. It will be a generation before candidates of either party are foolish enough to challenge the media.
The Media hopes Republicans will "teach the Republican Party a lesson" by not voting. What many conservatives fail to understand is the lesson they will be teaching is the Media rules and voters do not.
I would agree that the Democrat liberals if they take control of Congress will make impeaching Bush priority #1. However, I don't think the American people will be too satisfied with that outcome particularly as the threat of terrorist stikes come closer to home. If the Clinton impeachment is any indication, the people will quickly grow tired of the spectacle particularly if it is being lead by venom spewing foaming at the mouth Bush haters.
DemoncRAT caterwauling aside about "Bush Lied, People Died", or the Iraq War in general there ARE grounds to impeach Dubya - and better than used against Willard.
Article II, Section 1. : Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:-- ''I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.''
Which brings us to: Powers and Duties of the President
Specifically Powers Derived From This Duty.
Which now brings us to this:
Article II, Section 4. Impeachment The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Do you see where this is going? ... Dereliction of Duty
Find Law US Constitution with annotations.
Independents are democrats who are trying to get laid.
If the majority of Americans wanted to impeach President Bush, the democrat party would sweep into office in landslide proportions in November.
Again, the media playing press agent instead of journalist.
Agreed.
There are lots of reasons why I intensely dislike many of Bush's decisions, but I can think of no other candidate that might do better.
Having said that, any talk of impeachment, for any reason other than "I like the idea", is meaningless. Let's have a discussion about it.
I have a humorous suspicion that a list of substantive reasons as to why Bush should be impeached will mirror the rantings of Democratic Underground, their "public" more restrained face, the Democratic National committee.... and nothing else.
If the Democrats tried to use impeachment to install Pelosi as President, I think it would be seen as a transparent attempt at left wing coup attempt and it would be stopped, if necessary by 100,000 Conservatives arming themselves and surrounding the White House and the Capital.
I agree.
But this is a problem which has caused a fundamental crisis as a result of generations of court decisions that meant well, but had the effect of realizing all the dark predictions of deToqueville's Democracy in America. The pessimistic musings concerning the function of a democratic representative government "run" by the ignorant and the uninformed.
Worse yet, a system where all the darkest facets of human nature regarding the free lunch and the explosion of "rights", including the right to be totally unproductive, unemployed and totally lacking ambition, yet voting for limitless spending and corresponding taxation, all paid for by "other" people". It takes a truly defective mind to fail to see the inevitable end to that road!
Now for a serious question. This subject, voting by the ignorant, and its evolution, certainly deserves book treatment. There must be many books on the subject written since the 60s War on Poverty. I would welcome any and all titles the readers, here on FR, can provide for me.
In my library I have many myself, read over the years and stored but, surely, I must have missed some gems. The stuff must hit the fan, sooner or later. There is no limit to growth, so long as all contribute. The disaster arrives when the "takers" outnumber the contributors.
Personally, I believe that has already happened, but the social nervous system has failed to send the signal to the brain.
That is the most stupid of all strategies. Might as well throw dice.
Having an "R" by the name is meaningless if the candidate gets fat dumb and happy once in office, and fails to deliver on promises made.
Party means nothing any more. I have comfortably been registered "Democrat" since I first voted at age 22 and have voted Republican, for the most part, in the last 12 major elections, and most of the minor ones.
The problem is one of character and consistency. We need more statesmen and fewer politicians.
Voting mindless labels can only result in mindless results. We have had almost 50 years of that now. Let's get real.
Most of my choices will be "Rs", but not because it's a thoughtful strategy; it will be because all other choices dwell firmly over the line of "insane" territory; in other words, by default.
They would need 67 votes in the Senate to convict. I just don't see that happening before the end of his term.
Of those sampled, 282 identified themselves as Republicans, 349 as Democrats and 330 as Independents.
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