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Costco bans guns
Keepandbear arms.com ^ | ? | Mark A. Taff

Posted on 10/22/2006 5:25:01 AM PDT by sig226

Costco Bans Guns Fellow newslinks editor Bruce Kraft learned the hard way about Costco's gun ban. Below is his story.

Mark A. Taff

. . . We arrived at the registers, and got rung out. I paid, and as we are getting ready to head out, Brian came up and said that "for the comfort and safety" of their employees and guests, he asked that I leave my gun outside.

I said "No problem, sorry if I caused any fuss." I then asked if this was the policy of the Eden Prairie store, or a company-wide policy. He said it was company policy. I asked if I could get some sort of written statement or copy of the policy, because there were 35,000 permit holders in the state of Minnesota alone who were going to want to know about it.

Oh, and since they didn't want me in their store could they please return my groceries. Brian said "Oh, no, your perfectly welcome to shop here, we just" at which point I cut him off saying "You just asked me to leave, so obviously I am *not* welcome here, and neither is my money." (I have played out scenarios like this in my mind for several years, it was gratifying that he kept giving me all the right straight lines).

(snip)

Bruce continues:

"BTW, their letter is misleading, I never raised the issue of civil rights, because I firmly believe that companies have every right to ban whomever they please, I just think it is not fair for them to hide the fact."

You can read a pdf of the letter Costco sent to Bruce.

Call Costco at 1-800-774-2678 and give them your feedback on their gun ban policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at keepandbeararms.com ...


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To: sig226

Why get your back up about this? This isn't the government violating the 2nd ammendment. Costco is a private enterprise with the right to establish policies for what happens in their own stores. Or do private property rights not apply to big, Northeastern stores run by liberals?


141 posted on 10/22/2006 9:20:08 AM PDT by frankensnake
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To: frankensnake
Why get your back up about this? This isn't the government violating the 2nd ammendment. Costco is a private enterprise with the right to establish policies for what happens in their own stores. Or do private property rights not apply to big, Northeastern stores run by liberals?

Two points:

- It is always good to fight the anti-gun mentality.

- Costco wishes to have its cake and eat it too by not publicizing the gun ban.

And just as Costco has the right to not allow guns, so does this person have the right to withdraw their business, publicize Costco's policies and encourage others to boycott Costco.

142 posted on 10/22/2006 9:22:47 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: driftdiver
Except if you enter a business with a sign posted then you are breaking the law. One possible outcome is you could lose your right to own a firearm let alone carry one concealed.

The nature of my occupation makes that a moot issue...

143 posted on 10/22/2006 9:23:23 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: dirtboy

Bull the guy makes out that:

1. Costco asked him to leave they did not.

2. The guy seems to enjoy the fact that the clerk was intimadated.

3. He points out that he did not make this a rights issue, I call bull on that.

Let me think.

Bully

Moans about his civil rights couldn't give a crap about the rights of others

No respect for private enterprise

Thinks he's the center of the universe and that only his opinion matters

Sounds like a liberal to me.


144 posted on 10/22/2006 9:24:24 AM PDT by JNL
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To: Air Force Brat; sig226
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

You've obvioiusly never been around the store in Van Nuys/North Hollywood, CA, have you? ;o)

145 posted on 10/22/2006 9:27:44 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: JNL
1. Costco asked him to leave they did not.

Wrong. He said they did not want him to come back with his gun.

2. The guy seems to enjoy the fact that the clerk was intimadated.

Seems. That's a liberal kind of word.

3. He points out that he did not make this a rights issue, I call bull on that.

Where did he say he had a right to carry a gun on Costco property?

Let me think.

That must be quite an effort on your part.

Bully

I thought you said you were going to start thinking.

Moans about his civil rights couldn't give a crap about the rights of others

Still waiting.

No respect for private enterprise

Ah, I see you are thinking of ways to make claims about this guy that are not backed by the evidence.

Thinks he's the center of the universe and that only his opinion matters

And now I see you have given up that modest amount of thought and are just pulling nonsense out of your arse.

Sounds like a liberal to me.

Sounds like projection on your part.

146 posted on 10/22/2006 9:29:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: sig226
What an idiot. People like him give all gun owners a bad name. Costco has a right to not have guns on their property. In fact, almost all stores, banks, and other establishments do. What are you going to do, boycott them all?
147 posted on 10/22/2006 9:29:23 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What are you going to do, boycott them all?

See post #140 and get back to us.

Boycotts work.

148 posted on 10/22/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: driftdiver
Except if you enter a business with a sign posted then you are breaking the law. One possible outcome is you could lose your right to own a firearm let alone carry one concealed.

Not in all states. In GA and some other states a store or business can only ask you to leave the premises or remove your gun. If you refuse to leave you can be charged with trespassing, but not for violating the conditions of your CC permit. That doesn't apply to establishments in GA which serve alcohol, those places are strictly off limits to concealed weapons no matter how the owner or manager feels about it.

149 posted on 10/22/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by epow ("An unarmed man can only flee evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." ...Jeff Cooper)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What an idiot. People like him give all gun owners a bad name.

Yep. Never show it to anyone unless you are pulling the trigger...

150 posted on 10/22/2006 9:31:57 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: sig226

Costco bans guns




And I have banned COSTCO from my quite extensive shopping ventures too...never plan to spend a dime there.


151 posted on 10/22/2006 9:32:57 AM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: dirtboy

LOL nice try Dirtboy but you fail to answer any of my points. The guy got all turned on when he "scared" the clerk. He brags about the size of his chest and that he's an oh so scary type of guy.

If he was carrying a concealed weapon then why was it noticed. The guy sounds like a stereotypical ass.

As to his rights he whines that he never made it an issue, Evil Costco did ROTFLMAO I still call bull.


152 posted on 10/22/2006 9:42:55 AM PDT by JNL
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To: Air Force Brat

For the same reasons I carry it everywhere else...


153 posted on 10/22/2006 9:50:18 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: JNL

You need to read AND think before posting.

The man readily acknowledged each fact that you point out, including the right of Costco (or any other private busineess) to prohibit the carrying of firearms on their property.

It's not clear to me what your complaint is about.


154 posted on 10/22/2006 9:52:18 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: hsmomx3
I do not like Sam's Club or Wal-mart for meat products.

That's interesting, My SAM'S Club has some of the BEST and LARGEST steaks and chopped sirloin (pre-formed) burgers I have ever seen or tasted. For extremely reasonable prices.

I CCW into SAM'S all the time. I haven't seen any signage that forbids it but I don't look very hard either. Here in Floida, a business policy does not have the force of law until it's violated twice in the same incident or day. Meaning that if you carry concealed onto premises where a business prefers you not...and you are detected...you may be asked to leave. IF you return...still armed and are AGAIN detected, you may be arrested for "Trespass After Warning," a misdemeanor.

As the holidays approach and we have not yet been attacked again and I think of all the fat juicy sheep wandering the malls....and then I think of my wife (no sheep but vulnerable) shopping along with the rest of the grazing flock.....believe you me....I'm armed everywhere, including church. No more "mouse guns" either. Serious caliber's for serious times.

155 posted on 10/22/2006 9:55:03 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: driftdiver
Studies in the retail world have found that people spend between 10-20% more money in Costco and Sam than they do at regualr stores.

That's understandable. When I find a good deal, I tend to spend a lot more than if I don't have a bargin.

Think of coming upon a gas station selling gas for $1.25 per galllon. How much would you buy?

156 posted on 10/22/2006 9:55:32 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

It's private property.

Don't you enforce certain standards when others enter your own property?


157 posted on 10/22/2006 10:03:19 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

My complaint is that the guy encourages people to boycott COSTCO for some percieved insult and or violation they commited against him.

COSTCO does none of these thing IMHO and the guy comes off as an ass.

And no he doesn't acknowledge the fact that scaring a clerk who is only trying to do his friggin job is not funny.

He also doesn't explain how a supposedly concealed weapon made other shoppers uncomfortable (doesn't sound too concealed to me)

He also doesn't admit that they did NOT ask him to leave they asked his gun to. He pitifully attempts to make it about him when it's really about him flashing a friggin concealed weapon in a store.

What he does admit is:

(I have played out scenarios like this in my mind for several years, it was gratifying that he kept giving me all the right straight lines).

Why do I get the vision of Travis Bickle standing in front of a mirror mumbling over and over again "Are you talking to me" when I read this hmmm


158 posted on 10/22/2006 10:16:32 AM PDT by JNL
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To: Balding_Eagle
Don't you enforce certain standards when others enter your own property?

It's private property that is also commercial property.

Costco has every right to ban guns on their property.

And people have the right to tell Costco that they will not give them business if they ban guns on their property. And also to encourage others to boycott Costco over this issue.

Your position is more like that of the Dixie Chicks - who want to exercise their rights but still demand that patrons subsidize them if the patrons disagree with their stated positions.

159 posted on 10/22/2006 10:17:09 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: epow
To see where Costco's and it's competitors' political donations go check THIS out.

The only financial figure I care about it this: I save about one third on the price of drug items, paper goods, meats, soft drinks, and the like over what I would pay at the supermarket.

160 posted on 10/22/2006 10:17:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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