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Shiite militia takes over Iraqi city (Sadr takes over Amarah)
AP ^ | 10.20 2006 | By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/20/2006 5:37:47 AM PDT by Eurotwit

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Shiite militia run by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr seized total control of the southern Iraqi city of Amarah on Friday in one of the boldest acts of defiance yet by one of the country's powerful, unofficial armies, witnesses and police said.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched an emergency security delegation that included the Minister of State for Security Affairs and top officials from the Interior and Defense ministries, Yassin Majid, the prime minister's media adviser, told The Associated Press.

The Mahdi Army fighters stormed three main police stations Friday morning, planting explosives that flattened the buildings, residents said.

About 800 black-clad militiamen with Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers were patrolling city streets in commandeered police vehicles, eyewitnesses said. Other fighters had set up roadblocks on routes into the city and sound trucks circulated telling residents to stay indoors.

Fighting broke out in Amara on Thursday after the head of police intelligence in the surrounding province, a member of the rival Shiite Badr Brigade militia, was killed by a roadside bomb, prompting his family to kidnap the teenage brother of the local head of the a-Madhi Army.

The Mahdi Army seized several police stations and clamped a curfew on the city in retaliation.

At least 15 people, including five militiamen, one policeman and two bystanders, have been killed in clashes since Friday, Dr. Zamil Shia, director of Amarah's department of health, said by telephone from Amarah.

The events in the city highlight the threat of wider violence between rival Shiite factions, who have entrenched themselves among the majority Shiite population and are blamed for killings of rival Sunnis.

Mahdi Army militiamen have long enjoyed a free rein in Amarah, the provincial capital of the southern province of Maysan. The militiamen often summon local government officials for meetings at their offices, and they roam the city with their weapons, manipulate the local police and set up checkpoints at will.

Since British troops left Amarah in August, residents say the militia has been involved in a series of killings, including slayings of merchants suspected of selling alcohol and women alleged to have engaged in behavior deemed immoral by militiamen.


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To: mdittmar

Good news.

Should post it as a seperate story.

Cheers.


81 posted on 10/20/2006 11:39:51 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Nah, Texcat is arguably one of the best FReepers ever.

It's people like her that makes it worthwile to come back here again and again.

Cheers.


82 posted on 10/20/2006 11:41:38 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: fortheDeclaration

"The way to stop Muslims from killing us is to get them killing themeselves."

Then we should consider this piece of news a good thing.
This is shiite-on-shiite militia violence now.

All the comments about alSadr are correct, we should have taken him out long ago... water under bridge though.
What needs to happen now is that the Iraqi Army (not US army )should take this on head on, declare martial law in the town and take out the Mahdi army trash.


83 posted on 10/20/2006 11:43:38 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: Eurotwit
Can't bloomberg not allowed.

The old media got the story out that they wanted,they won't put out this update.

84 posted on 10/20/2006 11:49:43 AM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Eurotwit; GraniteStateConservative

Thanks to both of you :)!


85 posted on 10/20/2006 11:52:40 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: mdittmar

I am attempting to find another version of the story.

If I find it I will post it.

Cheers.


86 posted on 10/20/2006 12:08:47 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: reformedliberal

"The entire goal of this war , after deposing the tyrant, was to impose democracy and install an elected government. That government is treating with a militia as though it was a legitimate political organization, even though it has consistently acted militarily."

Alas, this precedent was set in Lebanon.

"But it is obvious from this that Sadr is being treated with honor by the Iraqi government."

Yes, now why? The initial plan in 2004 was to defang him by disarmament and watch him slip into obscurity as more popular leaders overwhelm him. Sadr remains a marginal figure, but since february of this year has been engaging in violence via his mahdi army.
Just as hezbollah in Lebanon was popularly elected enough to get parts of the Govt, the sadrists too have a voice in the govt via the fact that they got some votes.

What *should* happen is that Iraqis should find militias so unacceptable that al-Sadr becomes a pariah and is rejected by the Iraqi body politic. That has not happened, and the reason why is a large part of the reason Iraq is not in better shape: The culture is highly distrustful, sectarian, willing to accept and follow extremists, but most of all - after 30 years of totalitarian rule, the only institutions that had credibility and indepedence from the baathist rulers was the mosques ... and so we have excessive clerical influence.

I was thinking/hoping that both in lebanon and in iraq this influence would fade away through the action of democratic rule. in both cases, the key variable is the buildup of the central govts armed forces to replace militias.

I always look here to get the latest on Iraqi view of things:
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

" If it isn't a mess, then what is it? A "challenging situation"? "

Yes, it is a challenging situation!


87 posted on 10/20/2006 12:09:45 PM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: WOSG
Thank you for a cogent post.

I suppose I am just fatigued. Usually, I can rise to a challenge. Right now, I just look at this one and recognize that I am tired, not just as in lacking in energy, but also as in "sick and tired".

I haven't looked at the Iraqi blogs in awhile. Guess I will, later on tonight. I am on a quick work break, right now.

FWIW, I see the endless sectarian conflict everywhere, including in domestic politics, as futile. Eventually, someone will rise to the top of the rubble heap and just what will they have? Nothing but the shards of what they have destroyed.
88 posted on 10/20/2006 1:47:29 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The way to stop Muslims from killing us is to get them killing themeselves. Then why are our troops still being killed? I have no problems with Iraqis killing each other. There are stupid, backward animals. Their religion keeps them from accepting basic aspects of a republic/democracy (as we define it). We just need to do a better job of laying low while the Iraqis fight their civil war over who is the true heir to Muhammad.

Our troops are being killed by acts of terrorists.

That is what we can expect when we attack terrorists lands.

Those terrorists acts are going to occur somewhere, better on their soil then ours.

They cannot win with random acts of terror against our troops.

They can only hope to weaken the citizen's resolve at home, as the Japanese thought they could do by killing enough of out troops.

This is a war of wills, that we cannot afford to lose.

89 posted on 10/20/2006 3:23:29 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Little Ray
"I keep hoping that the President and the military are doing things the way they are 'cause they know so much about the situation that we don't"

I used to think that. It is probably true. But my experience with school yard bullies shows that if you really bust one up the others leave you alone. My experience with life teaches that as the micro so the macro. Bust up Syria, Iran, and Iraq and many of our problems will stop. Like bullies everywhere hit em hard, fast, and repetitively and things will be much better for us and the world.
90 posted on 10/20/2006 6:43:21 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: reformedliberal
Iraq is just a mess.

How do YOU know?

Have YOU been there??

What are YOU building that assessment on, please???

91 posted on 10/20/2006 7:05:46 PM PDT by danamco
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To: reformedliberal

"Right now, I just look at this one and recognize that I am tired, not just as in lacking in energy, but also as in "sick and tired"."

Yes, it does wear you down. Which I suppose is the terrorist/insurgent strategy from the get-go, they know Americans are impatient and result-oriented and so if they can just keep at it for long enough, the US will 'give up'.

At one level, it's understandable that many American want to throw in the towel. On another, it is frightening. We tolerated 400,000 deaths to win WWII. Iraq is only 3,000 in the biggest battle of the global war on terror, a battle where this year we have killed a large number of Al Qaeda leaders in Iraq. Not just Zarqawi but quite a few others.

If we cannot toelrate this much lower level of casualties, have we gone 'soft'? Or is it a direct reaction to the political situation - democrats will demagogue anything while there is a Republican in the White House?
Either way, this is troubling, and it would be good to 'keep our heads about us' as we think the right way forward.

There are ways to win in Iraq... see here:
http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/

"FWIW, I see the endless sectarian conflict everywhere, including in domestic politics, as futile. Eventually, someone will rise to the top of the rubble heap and just what will they have? Nothing but the shards of what they have destroyed."

Certainly, the violence is futile from our perspective, but we use reason and common sense. Their are darker and stranger belief systems held by the Jihadists and insurgents, a death cult almost...
I said in another thread that too many Arabs Muslims prefer Islamicist misery to pro-western joy. That is not just about Iraq, but also a good description of much of the self-defeating and masochistic anti-Americanism in the Arab world - Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Iranian Mullahs, Lebanon, etc.


92 posted on 10/20/2006 8:01:02 PM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: danamco
Look, I don't have to justify my conclusions to you, especially when you chose to scream them at me in an accusatory font.

My information is the same as most assiduous readers here at FR. IOW: from articles and posts from all over the world, from many experts or at least experienced/educated folks in multiple disciplines. I know veterans, both of VN and GWI, as well as the GWOT (Iraq and Afghanistan).

Just as all Republicans who did not serve are not *chickenhawks* if they support our effort in Iraq/Afghanistan, so all civilians who would not and could not travel to a war zone are not incapable of assessing the situation and drawing reasonable conclusions.

The country is awash in various areas (Baghdad, Anbar, the south)with *militias* or *death squads* or organized inter-tribal payback/quest for dominance of some sort.

Maliki is weak and that shows by the way nothing proactive appears to get done. He is the leader of a sovereign Iraq, all we can do is advise and back him up and he is obviously all over the place: one day he is putting Baghdad under tight martial law/curfew and the next he is demanding the coalition forces release a high-ranking Sadrist.

Although they are shipping oil, they still aren't self-supporting.

They still cannot defend themselves from Iran or Turkey or Syria if any of the neighbors got ambitious and the coalition was gone.

Iraq and Lebanon were the two most entrepreneurial countries in the ME. The fact that democracy there has produced weak governments easily subverted and, if necessary, ignored until they are overthrown, is disheartening. Lebanon, we can blame on the French. The old Iraq, pre-Hussein, we can blame on the Brits. This time, the blame is ours. Eventually, the world is going to blame the Iraqis, themselves, but not yet,

Now, if you are still feeling like piling on because I lack direct experience in Iraq, could you do me the courtesy of detailing your personal experience and explaining how Iraq is not a mess. I could use some good, solid, positive information from an informed source.
93 posted on 10/20/2006 8:06:55 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: RedRover

I always thought our military took orders. Hmmm....


94 posted on 10/20/2006 8:09:34 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (If you dont vote on election day, then who are you electing?)
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To: WOSG
... too many Arabs Muslims prefer Islamicist misery to pro-western joy.



An essential truth, IMO. I agree that Islam is a death cult;
it is a supremacist, warrior death cult.

I don't know if we have just gotten soft or if it is even tied to casualties. I do think we all, for the past 38 years, have been relentlessly inculcated with the need to think that we are good and to also be perceived as being good. This makes us susceptible to peer pressure. When a sizable minority of your peers define *good* as *pacifist*, you can be in trouble when the bullies come to town.

I don't want to throw in the towel. I recognize that this is going to continue for the rest of my life. I want to win. Everyone needs the collective strength of their fellows at some time in any struggle. I think we all have periods in which we *go wobbly*, if only for a little while.

Never in my wildest dreams, however, did I think America would find herself in an existential fight and discover that 20%+ of my fellow Americans didn't think we deserved to win and would actively impede us at every turn. I can find that absolutely enervating.
95 posted on 10/20/2006 8:31:19 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Yeah, but by killing this fat phuck, we'll never get the muslims to like us!! (Sarc)


96 posted on 10/20/2006 9:21:10 PM PDT by Levante
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Cheney - War going well - Washington Times
97 posted on 10/21/2006 4:41:19 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: marvlus
"Big Blunder by our military, imo."

Not our military...our political leadership. The military can't wack a high visibility personality like that without the green light from Washington.
98 posted on 10/21/2006 4:48:03 AM PDT by Gum Shoe
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To: floridareader1

That is how politics works. In time we will turn the whole thing over to the folks who win the elections and form the government. We only hear about Sadar but there are other Shiite factions vying for votes as well. In fact all this conflict that took place this week in the town Sadar's people took over also involved the Badar militia, not friends of Sadar. I sense that all this is winding down and the bulk of US forces could be out of Iraq in the next year. We have done about as much as we can with combat forces. It is now time for the Iraqis to stand on their own. That was the whole purpose of this whole thing after Saddam was deposed.


99 posted on 10/21/2006 9:38:12 PM PDT by Bombard
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To: Blueflag

Where do you propose for us to take the manpower from? The reason events like this can happen is because we've purposely sent most of our troops from the provinces into Baghdad to quell the ethnic cleansing going on there courtesy of the terrorist-infested Interior Ministry and the Sunnis.


100 posted on 10/21/2006 9:43:28 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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