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Voting Fraud is Mostly a Myth
Yahoo! News Editorial ^ | 10-16-06 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 10/19/2006 9:35:15 AM PDT by Reindeercards

The idea of universal suffrage has long been controversial. Indeed, it took this country nearly two centuries to extend the franchise to all citizens; women didn't get the right to vote until 1920. Voters have the power to shift the political consensus in their favor, so it's a radical proposition to believe that every citizen -- regardless of race, creed or color, income, education or ZIP code -- should be able to cast a ballot. It is a testament to the vitality of this nation's democratic ideals that the franchise is now universally applied.

Recently, however, a new wave of rebellion against that egalitarian ideal has cropped up; a new generation of politicians, mostly Republicans, is determined to snatch the franchise away from some Americans. Just a month ago, the GOP-dominated House passed a bill that would require government-issued photo IDs to vote in federal elections. And several Republican-led state legislatures have either passed stringent voter ID rules or imposed onerous regulations for voter registration.

Republican leaders have strained mightily to convince the courts that they are just protecting the franchise from voter fraud. Consider the widespread threat of illegal immigrants sneaking into the polls to vote, just as they sneaked into our country to work. Or those Dumpster-diving impostors who steal someone's light bill out of the trash and then use it as ID to cast a fraudulent ballot. Come on. I've heard 7-year-olds spin more convincing yarns.

According to USA Today, a preliminary report commissioned by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission has found little evidence of the sort of fraud that the burdensome new regulations purport to prevent. The bipartisan report found that "there is little polling-place fraud, or at least much less than is claimed, including voter impersonation, 'dead' voters, noncitizen voting and felon voters,"

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ballots; democrats; election; fraud; polling
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To: Reindeercards

So when 250% of a district's registered voters vote, that's not fraud?

The author of this article could use some fact-checking help.


41 posted on 10/19/2006 10:02:53 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Reindeercards
What about the phony ballots that are thrown in the mix when the ballots are being transported? The old switcheroo. Seems to me in several instances that boxes of legitimate ballots were later discovered hidden in someone's closet.

Where there's a will, someone died -- or some thing. In the case of elections, too many good ballots get deep-sixed.

If both sides are guilty of fraud, neither side would want to investigate. In which case, the winners are decided by which scam is more clever. Close elcctions would point to that. There is no way in a million years that any sane human could believe the dems are that popular with the common folk.

42 posted on 10/19/2006 10:04:10 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Holicheese

Or like they did in Washington State. They found 1200 dead whose ballets weren't counted yet.


43 posted on 10/19/2006 10:04:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: Reindeercards
The NY Times is writing article like this article today New because they know the Dems will lose or they are trying to give a way for the Dems to find votes at the end of the night in close races.
44 posted on 10/19/2006 10:06:16 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Reindeercards
Thoughts?

I guess you weren't around for the theft of the Presidency from Nixon. Cook County Illinois ring any bells?

45 posted on 10/19/2006 10:06:37 AM PDT by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Reindeercards
The NY Times is writing article like this article today (New Laws and Machines May Spell Voting Woes) because they know the Dems will lose or they are trying to give a way for the Dems to find votes at the end of the night in close races.
46 posted on 10/19/2006 10:06:55 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Reindeercards

Follow this,

This cynthia tucker is probably the same liberal feminist type that says just because rape is not reported does not mean it is not an epidemic. (the same group of women that say 50 out of every 5 men are rapists)


I think it was pretty clear in 2000 that there WAS fraud in south florida, but it was in pre-punched ballots for ALgore. (thuse the people who voted for GWBush on the prepunched ballot had their ballots kicked out for punching two holes) It was just the democrats had not done enough fraud.


This article is fluff to CYA the integrity of Identity theft based votes and votes by illegal aliens.


47 posted on 10/19/2006 10:09:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Reindeercards

Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy (Paperback) by John Fund

http://www.amazon.com/Stealing-Elections-Fraud-Threatens-Democracy/dp/1594030618/sr=8-1/qid=1161277827/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1431762-4264800?ie=UTF8

Hanging chads, butterfly ballots, voting felons, and Supreme Court intervention. How bad is the U.S. election system? Bad enough that at least eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon had registered to vote while they made their deadly preparations for 9/11! John Fund explores the way "vote brokers" stole a mayoral election in Miami in 1998 by tampering with 4700 absentee ballots. He shows how the "Motor Voter Law" allowed Californians to use mail-in forms to get absentee ballots for fictitious people and pets. He discusses the fears of Internet activists that unscrupulous "Manchurian Programmers" could manipulate new computerized voting machines to alter the outcome in 2004. After reading Stealing Elections, Dr. Larry Sabato, Director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said, "Unless we do some of the things Fund recommends, sooner or later we're headed for more disasters as bad or worse than what we saw in Florida in 2000."


48 posted on 10/19/2006 10:11:31 AM PDT by PDR
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To: pepsionice

There is a HUGE problem with snowbirds who are voting up North and in FL. In fact it could break their very generous homestead exemption.

We need a NATIONAL registered voter database. Technology and communication have make NOT having a national list no longer an option.


49 posted on 10/19/2006 10:16:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bmwcyle

But the dead people never complained, therefore, there was no proof of voter fraud...


50 posted on 10/19/2006 10:20:01 AM PDT by 3Lean
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To: Reindeercards; All
The Vote Fraud Archives: ( Click the picture )


51 posted on 10/19/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Reindeercards

Voter fraud is only a myth to Democrats only because it's a norm for them. They have been stealing elections by getting dead people or phantom voters to vote for them. Or the have been getting brain dead voter to vote for them by legally bribing or scaring them to death.


52 posted on 10/19/2006 10:25:45 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: itsahoot

Sorry, this thread was my first post on FR. I didn't know that I'd need to be blunt instead of clever.

Intellectually dishonest partisans like this author is THE main problem with this country.

The only way to get rid of or suppress voter fraud FOR THIS ONE ELECTION is to physically be there to gather video evidence when the other side isn't expecting people to be there gathering video evidence.

No one is likely to knowing commit the fraud in front of a camera. The Democrats likely aren't going to have worked out alternate plans for defrauding the vote this time if they are expecting to have business as usual.

As far as I know, every party in every state is allowed election watchers to observe the vote being counted and the parties generally can't find volunteers to take on this boring task.

Does anyone think its possible to, fairly low key, organize something, at least in states with close House and Senate races, considering how little time there is before the election?

Does anyone know or care to look up rules in any or all states on openly having video recording devices where they are counting the votes?

Would it be better to have hidden cameras or at least camera phones to record the fraud rather than intimidating them into not committing the fraud in the first place?


53 posted on 10/19/2006 10:27:59 AM PDT by Reindeercards
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To: Reindeercards

There is so much BS in this that there is no point in trying to answer it. Almost every sentence could be the start of a long argument.


54 posted on 10/19/2006 11:06:21 AM PDT by SmartAZ
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To: Reindeercards

The anonymous ballot encourages and rewards voter fraud. The corruption is inherent in the system.


55 posted on 10/19/2006 11:08:26 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Reindeercards
Voting is a right.

Serious error of omission at the end of her first paragraph. It should say "Voting is a right of citizenship."

To be a citizen, a person must meet several criteria. First, they must not be fictitious. (No votes from Captain Ahab or Mickey Mouse.) They must also be human. (Rover can't vote either.) They must be an adult. (No 5 year old voters.) They must still be alive. (Granny can't continue to vote 5 years after her death.)

To become a citizen, one must have been born an American, or have been "naturalized" as one. Nobody who has failed to do one of these things, has a "right" to vote.

For people who are citizens, there are additional restrictions. First, they must have registered in a timely manner. ("Timely" as determined by local laws.) They must not have given up their right to vote, such as often results from criminal convictions.

Citizens may only vote once in each election. In 2000, some Florida college students bragged that they noticed that their names were not checked off the list when they voted, so they came back and voted again. (I wonder if they were mostly Democrats, and I wonder if the errors by the poll workers were really accidental.) Also in 2000, it was discovered that numerous people had voted both in New York and Florida. (More Democrats, maybe?)

Having the right to vote includes the right to have your legitimate vote count. Every fraudulent vote cancels (and thus steals) the vote of an honest citizen. Protections against voter fraud actually prevent disinfranchisement of those entitled to vote.

For anyone who doubts that voter fraud is significant and one-sided, ask yourself why it is the Democrats who are fiercly fighting against stopping it.

56 posted on 10/19/2006 11:15:40 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Scourge of God

You even have to have a photo ID to walk into a bar/club even if you aren't drinking.

Have to have ID to write or cash a check too.

Who are all of these people who have no money, don't drink, don't dance, don't see live music, don't get paid, don't pay people, don't drive, and don't fly on airplanes?


57 posted on 10/19/2006 11:21:01 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: bmwcyle

I thought that was one of the funniest things I had EVER heard.
When they said, "Oh my god, look what we found. A bag of uncounted votes in a closet...Wow, are we lucky. And gosh by golly they put our candidate over the top!!"
No one questioned this in the MSM. It was just accepted as real.


58 posted on 10/19/2006 11:35:56 AM PDT by Holicheese (Beerfest could be the greatest movie ever made!)
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To: pepsionice
So if we all agree that 400,00 votes are being tossed around...does it bother anyone?

Yep, any kind of fraud bothers me.

give them a simple 2-year sentence in a state jail for each occurance...and take away their vote for 20 years.

Sounds good to me.

59 posted on 10/19/2006 2:03:42 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Reindeercards
Why don't we render a service to the country and PROVE its not happening?

Because it is logically impossible to prove a negative?

60 posted on 10/19/2006 2:05:03 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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