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FBI director wants ISPs to track users
Cnet ^ | 10/17/2006 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:08:05 PM PDT by Panerai

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."

The speech to the law enforcement group, which approved a resolution on the topic earlier in the day, echoes other calls from Bush administration officials to force private firms to record information about customers. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."

Justice Department officials admit privately that data retention legislation is controversial enough that there wasn't time to ease it through the U.S. Congress before politicians left to campaign for re-election. Instead, the idea is expected to surface in early 2007

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; dataretention; fbi; internet; isp; itsforyourowngood; ourdearleadersloveus; theywantitallfolks; theywilltakecareofus; weloveourdearleaders
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To: Wormwood

Please have your sarcasm detector serviced. My irony emitter seems to be in working order."

I knew I forgot something this week.Thanks.


41 posted on 10/17/2006 11:10:24 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus
This kinda sh*t is what really P's me Off.

We got cameras at half the intersections in America to make sure J6P doesn't cut any corners.

Now they want to keep track of every single phone call you might make, every check you might cash, and every breast you might check out on the net.

MEANWHILE LAWBREAKERS STREAM ACROSS THE BORDER!!!
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GET SENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!



WE AMERICANS HAVE TURNED INTO A BUNCH OF WUSSES!!!


42 posted on 10/17/2006 11:13:05 PM PDT by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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To: A CA Guy
Even lots of homes have open wireless and a bad guy can detect and use the net without entering your home.

Of course, because people are too stupid to read the docs and properly set up their AP's.

But if the MAC and the IPv6 is registered (and no strawman purchases allowed), then you have a small group of people to target.

Of course, the router/WiFi makers will have to start turning on basic encryption and disabling ESSID broadcast by default. And will also require the user, unlike now, to set up their AP properly, and of course with mandatory on-line registration with the proper fedgov authorities.

Give an inch...

Oh and the next thing to be outlawed; PGP or personal encryption programs. Or if allowed, then keys will have to be registered, with the fedgov having a copy, or a third key, for decrypting your communications.

... take a mile...

43 posted on 10/17/2006 11:16:17 PM PDT by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: AFreeBird
Bad guys could easily make their own PCMCIA card for wireless (what ever you call that card) and slap it in a non wireless laptop to enable and bypass your protection IMO.

Computers are easy to build and to bypass and registration.

It is unstoppable IMO.
44 posted on 10/17/2006 11:18:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Bad guys could easily make their own PCMCIA card for wireless (what ever you call that card) and slap it in a non wireless laptop to enable and bypass your protection IMO.

Not if all devices are registered. If that happens you can black list anything not in the database. Not in the database, not allowed on the net. Or, is subject to intense , unrelenting scrutiny from the second you connect. And if you try and spoof an existing address, that's already connected, red flags go up all over the place.

Trust me, it might be seemingly impossible to you now, but computers are very good at dealing with large amounts of mundane data. And they'll only get better at it; about every 18 months.

Do not let you guard down on crap like this just because you don't think it's possible.

It is a bad law; sets a bad precedent; and will open up a Pandora's box you don't want opened.

45 posted on 10/17/2006 11:28:12 PM PDT by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: AFreeBird
The non legal market for parts would be endless.

Computers are so available and everywhere that you will get non monitored parts endlessly without trouble IMO.

It's not doable unless you ban wireless Internet IMO.
46 posted on 10/17/2006 11:32:58 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Wormwood
Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17.

Funny. I finally found 'Wild in the Streets' on DVD and watched it a few weeks ago. You just reminded me of that movie.

47 posted on 10/17/2006 11:35:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Panerai

Plenty would love to search homes without a warrant, too; doesn't make it a good idea.


48 posted on 10/18/2006 12:43:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: rlmorel

Why not imprison the entire population, so if one turns out to be a criminal, he is already in jail!

Brilliant!


49 posted on 10/18/2006 2:46:32 AM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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To: Panerai

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt


50 posted on 10/18/2006 2:58:10 AM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ .05ยข a can.)
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To: Lord_Baltar
"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."

The words of a tyrant

Better watch out, language like that against the government might soon be enough to have you declared an enemy combatant

Not really, all Sir Gawain has to do is add "The words of an 'INFIDEL' tyrant" and he's off the hook.

No Feeb is ever going to "dare" challenge a Muzzie.

And if that doesn't work, I suggest Sir Gawain seek sanctuary in the closest Mosque--which is a guarantee for immunity, regardless, of the offense.

Hell, he'll probably run into some FBI agents who won't do a thing as they will all be under "re-programing" and "indoctrination" control of the Muzzies/CAIR, AS A RESULT OF DIRECT ORDERS OF THAT USELESS-POS-GIRLIE-MAN-PC-A-HOLE, MUELLER, who W should FIRE now, along with Chertoff!!!

51 posted on 10/18/2006 3:01:08 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: Panerai
"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims,"

That's because, Mr. Director of Funded But Incompetent, storing log files takes disk space and disk space costs money.

I've worked for several ISPs, from mom-and-pop shops to one of the largest in the country. It is common practice to discard all logs of routers unless you are troubleshooting.

Since the 1996 Electronic Communication Transactional Records Act (thanks Bill!) most ISP's send all of their server logs directly to /dev/null, thus bypassing the law requiring them to retain logs for 90 days of any record in their possession. By not generating logs, they have nothing to retain.

If ISPs store every log file of every user packet, who is going to pay for all of that storage?

People are entitled to have an INFORMED opinion. Too bad blowhards like this can stand in front of a microphone and display their ignorance.

As a practical matter, a US Government mandate to log user activity would probably sink every ISP with less than 5000 users immediately.

For the rest, expect your ISP bill to double instantly.

52 posted on 10/18/2006 3:08:28 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: TheLion

visting a conservative sight?

HATE CRIME

THOUGHT CRIME

DOUBLE PLUS UNGOOD!!!!!!!!


53 posted on 10/18/2006 3:13:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Panerai
"this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."

So is picking your nose and leaving the remnants under the edge of your chair. I propose that the House take action immediately.

54 posted on 10/18/2006 3:18:22 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Panerai; All

My Irony Emitter is malfunctioning...nobody seemed to pick up that I WAS one of those people over in the Internet Addiction thread at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1721293/posts

Hi...my name is rlmorel...I'm a Freepaholic...:)


55 posted on 10/18/2006 3:26:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Lancey Howard

The soundtrack to "Wild In The Streets" produced a hit 45 back in 1968, btw! It was "Shapes of Things To Come"! "Free Lovin'" was the b-side. Hmmm......


56 posted on 10/18/2006 3:27:17 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: Wormwood; philetus

"Child molesters are everywhere, and they can look like anyone! Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17.

Please think of the children."

An excellent idea, Wormwood. But why 17, it needs to be lower. I suggest from 13 on.

Coupled with philetus' suggestion: "We need cameras in every private abode" we can all rest soundly.

Must I use a sarcasm off tag on this post???

57 posted on 10/18/2006 3:39:35 AM PDT by bwteim (There is No Free Lunch. Support FReeRepublic. Become a Donor today.)
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bookmarked for a.m.


58 posted on 10/18/2006 3:41:01 AM PDT by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: philetus
I figure there is at least one Fed in FR at all times.

Who outed me?

Never mind, I'll find out on my own.

59 posted on 10/18/2006 3:45:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: bwteim
Must I use a sarcasm off tag on this post???

It doesn't matter whether you do or not---it's going into your FBI file regardless.

60 posted on 10/18/2006 3:46:37 AM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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