Posted on 10/16/2006 8:05:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
Attempts to revive the European Union draft constitution will only work if the name of the treaty is changed, because the word "constitution" is too alarming for those who want national governments to remain in charge, the European Commission president, José Manuel Barroso, said last night.
He told an audience at Chatham House in London: "Perhaps the grand finality of the word 'constitution' set it up as a hostage to fortune, both to inter-governmentalists who felt it went too far, and to federalists, who felt it did not go far enough.
He went on: "Let us be clear about the label which should be attached to further institutional reform. What Europe needs is a Capacity to Act."
Officially, the "Treaty Establishing a Constitution for Europe" is on hold, as governments engage in a "pause for reflection" on the No votes in the French and Dutch referendums on the text last year.
The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has promised to place efforts to revive the constitution at the heart of her country's turn at the rotating presidency of the EU, which starts in January.
Mrs Merkel, who hopes an expanded version of the constitution can be in place by the end of 2009, has also said she would be happy to call it something less provocative.
The leading French presidential candidate, Nicolas Sarkozy, has spoken of extracting a "mini-treaty" from the wreckage of the constitution that would focus on key institutional changes, such as the creation of a European foreign minister.
No, you don't get the "Frog" vote if fundamental national sovereignty is ceded. France will have a veto, or the French people will vote "Non", no matter what clever phrase is used to package the offering.
If they are going to boast that the EU has a larger economy, population, and military than the United States, then they should have only one seat in the UN, make unified military decisions, and protect themselves.
And NAFTA has a larger economy, and almost the population, of the EU.
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1909 -1913 Lord Alfred Milner organizes the "Association of Helpers" into various Round Table Groups in the British dependencies and the United States. The Round Table - a periodical, first published by Milner's "Secret Society" for Britain's intellectual community. The writers, and those associated with the publication became known as the Round Table Group, and later, the Chatham House crowd.
NAFTA or the North American Union? /s
Perhaps, but Royal will be the next President of the Republic.
Europe will never be one country. It is a confederation of sovereign states with one economic and trade policy, and a broad universal set of human rights. That is what Europeans want. Sacrificing the national identity is not what Europeans want, which is why the national veto is so dear.
Bragging rights are uninteresting. What is interesting is trade and economic surpluses in order to build things.
Europe will have one seat at trade talks. This is important, because it prevents the divide-and-conquer approach to trade America has used in the past. The world's largest unified economy (Europe; NAFTA is not a unified economy - there is no free flow of labor, and there is no free flow of goods, and there are tarriffs and restrictions across the US/Canada and US/Mexico border) speaks with one voice on trade. But the Member States will, of course, retain their separate seats at the United Nations and in other diplomatic bodies, where the multiplicity of seats increases European power and prestige.
The EU is not totally unified, though, granted, it is moreso than NAFTA. There is not a free flow of services, nor of people (except for the UK, Ireland, and .... Sweden?), and although all members are supposed to take up the Euro as their currency, the UK, Denmark, and Sweden have been taking a long time implementing it.
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Milner's association with Cecil Rhodes, a father of imperialist socialism, is a whole 'nother story. It would seem as if the EU likes Rhodes, Milner, Parkins vision of a "world-encircling group of related nations...united on a basis of equality and partnership,. . ", but socialists fail before they start when the sentence ends with ". . . and...by moral and spiritual bonds". Unless the spirit is the religion of the collective.
Socialists have been around for a long time. Too bad they don't learn from history. They just rewrite it and their manifestoes.
I suppose their latest attempt at the "Imperial Federation" is manifest in the EU but can't/won't be validated in a collective "European Union draft constitution".
yitbos
EU constitution should be called what it really is:
Socialist orders to the masses
yitbos
"Europe will never be one country. It is a confederation of sovereign states with one economic and trade policy, and a broad universal set of human rights. That is what Europeans want. Sacrificing the national identity is not what Europeans want, which is why the national veto is so dear."
It is already in the works and on schedule. The U.S. will also be brought into this. Don't think of it from our perspective from now, the environment will be changed to a different perspective with the fall of the market just like 1929. Our fall effected Europe. Now, the links are connected from Europe to the U.S., when the U.S. goes, the links in Europe will go also.....This is going to happen. When?, is the only question.
http://www.globalmarshallplan.org/
a little reminder of the past that is reflective of the future......this is history and actually happened.
29 October 1929 – 16,419,000 shares turned over and Billions in values lost as market breaks third time. Many forced to unload especially newly formed investment trusts. Fact is that shares were offered in huge blocks and prices crumbled as rapidly as on any previous day since the crash started. The stock exchange decided against action in the crash. Mr. Thomas W. Lamont stated in a statement to the press; “The committee carefully considered the present situations but failed to find that any action was necessary consequently adjourning until the regular meeting tomorrow.” It is reported that following the governors meeting, Mr. Lamont reiterated that the banker are co-operating to stabilize the market as a group, but that no effort was being made to stop the decline abortively. He added that the individual bankers were not “unloading” themselves as has been hinted. The collapse in the U.S. has a depressing influence on the European stock market, due to heavy liquidation by American Holders. American capital had been for some time been increasingly engaged in European industrial investment. [The Front Page; From the International Herald Tribune 1887-1980; P. 61; New York Herald Tribune; Paris, Sunday, March 13, 1939, 51st year, No 18, 423].
30 October 1929 – Wall Street Collapse Sends Prices Down on Exchanges Here: European Industrials Suffer by liquidation of U.S. Holdings. The collapse of the Wall Street Stock market had a depressing influence on the leading European stock exchanges yesterday. This was felt in varying degrees and for various reasons, the most seriously affecting being Amsterdam. On all European bourses American stocks followed closely the Wall Street trend, while Anglo-American and Canadian stocks quoted in Capel Court were big losers on the day. On the Paris and Berlin bourses the leading French and German industrials were marked down appreciably, owing to heavy liquidation by American holders. For some time American capital has been increasingly engaged in European industrial investment, ……[The Front Page; From the International Herald Tribune 1887-1980; P. 61; New York Herald Tribune; Paris, Sunday, March 13, 1939, 51st year, No 18, 423].
1932 - In the Grand Joint Army-Navy Exercises, 152 aircraft carrier planes caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor completely by surprise. It was a Sunday.
July 1932 to November 1933 – Planned Coup of the American Government by American big business; attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C. This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC. He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship. He was even tempted by this offer. Three gentlemen, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control. Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already. He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers. This was actually confirmed in 1934 by the Senate munitions Investigating committee. Smedley Butler has won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns. This committee confirmed that, remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead. Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges. They confirmed his allegations. There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use. Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people. It was planned and would have succeeded, however, Butler, being a Marine in true form, revealed the plot and FDR had to be happy just being a President. The investigation went lame and just disappeared from sight. Among the powers that be, it was decided that the main way to recover and still achieve this goal was to involve the U.S. in a war. Note that in 1927 was the start of Standard Oil supporting Germany by refining the oil necessary to begin WWII.
Note: Replay of the St Petersburg massacre in 1905 or even better the 12 September 1917 when Civil War Breaks Out in Russia as Kornilov’s Army Marches on Petrograd to assume Power.
March 1933 – U.S. War Powers Act was a freedom destroying emergency legislation. War and conflict is an efficient means of controlling large groups of people. Brings more people under control (paying taxes), and allows for restrictive legislation, thus stealing freedom little by little as the War Powers Act was an example.
21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law, "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
What is needed is an entity that works to protect europe from brain drain and theft of intellectual property. We need to be a buyers community for commodities and a regulative against the export of to much labour force.
We are so "over militarized" we even have to care about other countries problems e.g. in lebanon, afghanistan and several countries of africa.
Mrs. rice once said that america is not interested in ceding to be the only military superpower. Granted I'd say.
The EU is economically unified in all of the key things that matter. There are outliers on currency, but the standards of trade are set in Brussels, disputes are decided at the level of the ECJ and the European Trade Commission.
There is a free flow of people. If you are Portuguese and you wish to work in France, you move there. You might not find a job, but it is not the law which prevents you from doing so. The problem of the "Polish plumber" is infamous: cheap labor from the East has the RIGHT to come and work in the West, provided that labor is from within the EU.
1932 is 76 years ago.
Evidently these fellows hung fire.
"1932 is 76 years ago.
Evidently these fellows hung fire."
****Nope....Notice I didn't say the same people, the same organizations and generations of "family"....you have to study the whole picture. It's almost not worth spreading the truth as it's easy to discredit due to the desperation of the parties concerned, the time frame, but most of all, the state of total denial that Americans keep themselves in based on the crap we have been fed. There is a lot of truth to our history, but there is a lot of lies and coverups that have been integrated to keep us civil.
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