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China may back coup against Kim
The Sunday Times ^ | October 16, 2006 | Michael Sheridan

Posted on 10/15/2006 1:21:06 PM PDT by US Navy guy

THE Chinese are openly debating "regime change" in Pyongyang after last week's nuclear test by their confrontational neighbour.

Diplomats in Beijing said at the weekend that China and all the major US allies believed North Korea's claim that it had detonated a nuclear device. US director of national intelligence John Negroponte circulated a report that radiation had been detected at a site not far from the Chinese border.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: badhair; bolthole; china; northkorea
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To: Hawthorn

A bolthole is a secure escape route or hiding place.
North Koreans elites are looking for places to escape to when Kim is taken out.


61 posted on 10/15/2006 3:05:06 PM PDT by kalee
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To: johnny7; US Navy guy

> since when has a commie state stabbed another in the back? <

It has indeed happened from time to time. Check your history.

And just remember, "There's no honor among thieves."


62 posted on 10/15/2006 3:11:39 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn

Stalin had Trotsky killed in Mexico City in the 1930s.


63 posted on 10/15/2006 3:13:12 PM PDT by US Navy guy
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To: cripplecreek
Apparently you have no children or don't care a bit about their futures. No I don't want to send troops in but I'm not a pathetic China apologist either.

Who is a pathetic China apologist? Oh, and what was your solution again? I didn't seem to find it in your post.

64 posted on 10/15/2006 3:13:19 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

Sorry I guess I'm just not willing to give up one brutal dictator for another. Nor am I willing to presume I have all the answers.


65 posted on 10/15/2006 3:15:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Hawthorn

Actually, it's not so much a Aussie term, as
it is a hunting term. A bolthole, is a hole a
wild animal will run to, to hide, when being
chased. Think 'safe house', or 'rabbit hole/.


66 posted on 10/15/2006 3:18:28 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: US Navy guy

Bump...


67 posted on 10/15/2006 3:25:16 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: US Navy guy

> Stalin had Trotsky killed in Mexico City in the 1930s <

Well, it wasn't exactly a "stab in the back" -- rather it literally was an axe into the head, as I recall. But an excellent example nonetheless!

And how can one overlook the thousands of loyal Communists, mostly apparatchiks and military officers, who were murdered by Stalin's thugs in the 1930's?

Or what about the Sino-Soviet battles along the Amur River in 1969?

Or the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1978?

Or the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979?

Just as there's no honor among thieves, neither is there honor among Reds.


68 posted on 10/15/2006 3:40:39 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: kronos77

Letting China control North Korea seems disturbingly like allowing Russia to have eastern Europe. Granted we didn't have much choice in Europe but I can't see that the result would be much better.


69 posted on 10/15/2006 3:42:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: cripplecreek

i think it would be a great deal better,
for all nvolved including China, there are great
disadvantages for them, if things continue along
the path thet they are on now.

Besides, i doubt that China really *wants* to have
NK be it's sole burden..and if they expect
international cooperation, they would not "annex"
NK, as much as facilitate it's stabilization,..
with joint assistance, to keeping the NK in NK,
and feeding them *there*.


70 posted on 10/15/2006 3:50:18 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: Reily

The Chinese like to think they take the long view of such things. Certainly it would cost the Skors a fortune, but they would have little choice but to pay for reunification, it is a national prerogative.

And once it was done, from the Chinese point of view, they would finally be rid of an annoying threat on their border than has troubled them for almost 60 years.

Winning the friendship and huge markets of all of Korea and only losing a pestiferous, dishonorable, thieving and treacherous Kim sounds like a really good deal for them.

And from the US point of view, Korea would be unoffensive, maintaining a form of democratic government acceptable to both the US and China, and also keeping trade ties with the rest of the world. And if Korea is happy with China, far be it from us to stand in their way.


71 posted on 10/15/2006 3:52:23 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl
I once read a paper on Korean unification discussing what that state might be like. Thinking seemed to gel around the notion that they would go back to more inward looking state (remember they were called 'The Hermit Kingdom'), somewhat anti-foreign and with a chip on their shoulder. I guess that makes sense, if you look at Korea you see a unique society trapped by geogrpahy between two cultural megaliths, China & Japan.
72 posted on 10/15/2006 4:00:28 PM PDT by Reily
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To: oceanview

Any different than the last 50 years?

Lil' Kimmy's a Chinese puppet that went bad. So replacing him with a different Chinese puppet that obeys China should return the peninsula back to the status quo.

Not good, but not bad either.


73 posted on 10/15/2006 5:03:42 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breathe some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: johnny7

Useful fools propaganda... since when has a commie state stabbed another in the back?

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Russia and China... are did you forget the border conflicts between the two? Not to mention Nixon... and how we managed to turn China into an ally against the Soviet Union.


74 posted on 10/15/2006 5:09:35 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breathe some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: oyez
Red China needs someone to carry the Marxist banner. I suspect when communist hierarchy is satisfied that their business sector has progressed to their satisfaction, they will purge the "capitalists" and take it over. Another "Great Leap Forward" or something to the effect..

I also expect Russia and other Former Soviet states to eventually purge their capitalists and return to the "good old days" of the USSR, as Putin and all potential successors are KGB commie thugs. North Korea is a Marxist holdout for both Jintao and Putin.

77 posted on 10/15/2006 7:53:22 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: kronos77

Not to mention that Russia woundn't mind the chance to test some SU-47's and MiG 1.44s and the Chinese testing the J-xx against our flyboys


78 posted on 10/15/2006 7:57:57 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: johnny7
"Useful fools propaganda... since when has a commie state stabbed another in the back?"
Like there was a little war between China and Vietnam in 1979, remember? Or the border clashes between USSR and China. Or Soviets invading their satellite communists states in Eastern Europe. Just because two nations are communist doesn't mean they can't have scores to settle.
79 posted on 10/15/2006 9:58:06 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Thunder90
"I also expect Russia and other Former Soviet states to eventually purge their capitalists and return to the "good old days" of the USSR, as Putin and all potential successors are KGB commie thugs. North Korea is a Marxist holdout for both Jintao and Putin."
I don't believe there is a definitive basis for this eventuality. At least with Russia. Putin may be authoritarian, and play it like a mafia boss sometimes, but there is still a whole lot that separates today's Russia from 1983 USSR. Russia may become more authoritarian, even fascist nationalist in the years to come (2008 will be a key year, a sort of "crossroads" for Russia) but I don't believe a return to a fully-fledged Marxist totalitarian state is possible for Russia. They will probably strive to reclaim dominance in all the traditional areas which the Russian Empire and USSR once ruled, but hardly more than that. And do you seriously believe Ukraine, the Baltics, etc, central Asian ex-Soviet republics can go back in flash?
80 posted on 10/15/2006 10:15:15 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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