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US Gathers Clues on N. Korea Nuke Test
Military. com ^ | October 14, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/14/2006 3:42:05 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes

"The betting is that this was an attempt at a nuclear test that failed," a senior administration official said. "We don't think they were trying to fake a nuclear test, but it may have been a nuclear fizzle."

Other tests from air sampling conducted by the U.S., Japan and China found no trace of radioactive material. The conflicting information provides a window into the mountain of information that government officials are weighing.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nkorea; nuke; radiation; test

1 posted on 10/14/2006 3:42:06 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes

If it's a fizzle that'll put NK back at least 5 years as Kim will behead the lead scientists..


2 posted on 10/14/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: All
I'm a bit confused by the "fizzle" statements.

The conventional explosives on a nuke are relatively small, so they themselves would not set off any geological alarms. Even 100 tons (an extremely small nuke) is a lot of conventional bang.

I'm guessing that "fizzle" refers to a nuclear explosion that did not take all of the fisible material critical. Sort of a firecracker that isn't wrapped tight enough.

Can anyone explain this better?

3 posted on 10/14/2006 4:37:08 PM PDT by SampleMan (Do not dispute the peacefulness of Islam, so as not to send Muslims into violent outrage.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
"We don't think they were trying to fake a nuclear test, but it may have been a nuclear fizzle."

Boy, there's more than just a tiny whiff of psyops in all this stuff.

The plot thickens....

4 posted on 10/14/2006 4:56:46 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SampleMan
Sort of a firecracker that isn't wrapped tight enough

From what I understand that's a pretty good analogy. I sure wouldn't want to be one of the guys who has to go down that hole after the thing.

L

5 posted on 10/14/2006 5:00:57 PM PDT by Lurker (Fear is the inspiration for stupidity.)
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To: SampleMan
I'm guessing that "fizzle" refers to a nuclear explosion that did not take all of the fisible material critical. Sort of a firecracker that isn't wrapped tight enough.

From what I've read in just the past week, I believe you are just about exactly correct. "Fizzle" appears to be a widely and well-defined term within the industry rather than vague, non-tecnical slang like "pooped out", "dud", etc.

6 posted on 10/14/2006 5:05:41 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: billorites
"Fizzle" appears to be a widely and well-defined term within the industry rather than vague, non-tecnical slang like "pooped out", "dud", etc...

but enough about my wedding night...

7 posted on 10/14/2006 5:13:57 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SampleMan

Plutonium Isotopes

Uranium and plutonium are composed of several isotopes, some of which are fissile. To produce an explosive device for military purposes requires the percentage of fissile isotopes (U-235 for uranium, Pu-239 for plutonium) present in the material to be of the order of 93%. The levels reached in the nuclear power industry are, however, much lower; less than 5% for uranium and between 50 and 60% for plutonium.

Virtually any combination of plutonium isotopes -- the different forms of an element, having different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei -- can be used to make a nuclear weapon. Not all combinations, however, are equally convenient or efficient. The most common isotope, Pu-239, is produced when the most common isotope of uranium, U-238, absorbs a neutron and then quickly decays to plutonium. It is this plutonium isotope that is most useful in making nuclear weapons, and it is produced in varying quantities in virtually all operating nuclear reactors.

Plutonium containing high quantities of fissile material i.e. Pu-239 in the order of 90-95 %, is known as weapon-grade plutonium. Plutonium containing lower concentrations, in the range of 50-60 % is known as reactor-grade plutonium. The definitions of the various plutonium grades are expressed as a percentage of the isotope Pu-240 which is considered as an impurity for weapons manufacturers.

Plutonium-grade % of Plutonium- 240
Super-grade
‹ 3%
Weapon-grade ‹ 7%
Fuel-grade
between 7% and 18% incl.
Reactor-grade
› 18

Reactor-grade plutonium is produced in the core of a reactor when uranium-238 is irradiated with neutrons. Unlike weapon grade plutonium (which is relatively pure plutonium-239), reactor grade plutonium is a mixture of plutonium-238, 239, 240, 241 and 242. It is this mixture of isotopes which renders reactor grade plutonium less suitable as a weapon-grade material. Weapon-grade plutonium is defined as plutonium containing no more than 7 percent plutonium-240. Due to the very short 100 day irradiation periods used during the war (wartime production meant that the plutonium had to be separated as quickly as feasible after being bred), the first Plutonium bomb [Fat Man] used super-grade weapon plutonium containing only about 0.9% Pu-240.

As fuel in a nuclear reactor is exposed to longer and longer periods of neutron irradiation, higher isotopes of plutonium build up as some of the plutonium absorbs additional neutrons, creating Pu-240, Pu-241, and so on. Pu-238 also builds up from a chain of neutron absorptions and radioactive decays starting from U-235. Because of the preference for relatively pure Pu-239 for weapons purposes, when a reactor is used specifically for creating weapons plutonium, the fuel rods are removed and the plutonium is separated from them after relatively brief irradiation (at low "burnup"). The resulting "weapons-grade" plutonium is typically about 93 percent Pu-239. Such brief irradiation is quite inefficient for power production, so in power reactors the fuel is left in the reactor much longer, resulting in a mix that includes more of the higher isotopes of plutonium ("reactor grade" plutonium).

Normally for electrical power production the uranium fuel remains in the reactor for three to four years, which produces a plutonium of 60 percent or less Pu-239, 25 percent or more Pu-240, 10 percent or more Pu-241, and a few percent Pu-242. The Pu-240 has a high spontaneous rate of fission, and the amount of Pu-240 in weapons-grade plutonium generally does not exceed 6 percent, with the remaining 93 percent Pu-239.

Higher concentrations of Pu-240 can result in pre-detonation of the weapon, significantly reducing yield and reliability. For the production of weapons-grade plutonium with lower Pu-240 concentrations, the fuel rods in a reactor have to be changed frequently, about every four months or less.

Some nuclear weapons are typically designed so that a pulse of neutrons will start the nuclear chain reaction at the optimum moment for maximum yield; background neutrons from plutonium-240 can set off the reaction prematurely, and with reactor-grade plutonium the probability of such "pre-initiation" is large. Pre-initiation can substantially reduce the explosive yield, since the weapon may blow itself apart and thereby cut short the chain reaction that releases the energy.

Nevertheless, even if pre-initiation occurs at the worst possible moment (when the material first becomes compressed enough to sustain a chain reaction) the explosive yield of even a relatively simple first-generation nuclear device would be of the order of one or a few kilotons. While this yield is referred to as the "fizzle yield," a one-kiloton bomb would still have a radius of destruction roughly one-third that of the Hiroshima weapon, making it a potentially fearsome explosive. Regardless of how high the concentration of troublesome isotopes is, the yield would not be less.

The even numbered isotopes (plutonium-238, 240 and 242) fission spontaneously producing high energy neutrons and a lot of heat. Dealing with the second problem with reactor-grade plutonium, the heat generated by plutonium-238 and plutonium-240, requires careful management of the heat in the device. There are well developed means for addressing these problems and they are not considered a significant hurdle to the production of nuclear weapons, even for developing states.

Because these even numbered plutonium isotopes are more radioactive, their presence accelerates the formation of defects that occur within the metal during alpha decay of plutonium. In fact, the neutron and gamma dose from this material is significant and the heat generated in this way could melt the high-explosive material needed to compress the critical mass prior to initiation. The neutrons can also initiate a premature chain reaction thus reducing the explosive yield, typically to a few percent of the nominal yield, sometimes called the "fizzle yield". Such physical characteristics make reactor-grade plutonium difficult to manipulate and control and therefore explain its unsuitability as a bomb-making ingredient. The isotope plutonium-238 would typically consitute only 0.036 percent of weapons–grade plutonium.

While reactor-grade plutonium has a slightly larger critical mass than weapon-grade plutonium (meaning that somewhat more material would be needed for a bomb), this would not be a major impediment for design of either crude or sophisticated nuclear weapons.

A successful test was conducted in 1962, which used reactor-grade plutonium in the nuclear explosive in place of weapon-grade plutonium. The yield was less than 20 kilotons. This test was conducted to obtain nuclear design information concerning the feasibility of using reactor-grade plutonium as the nuclear explosive material. The test confirmed that reactor-grade plutonium could be used to make a nuclear explosive. This fact was declassified in July 1977. The release of additional information was deemed important to enhance public awareness of nuclear proliferation issues associated with reactor-grade plutonium that can be separated during reprocessing of spent commercial reactor fuel. The United States maintains an extensive nuclear test data base and predictive capabilities. This information, combined with the results of this low yield test, reveals that weapons can be constructed with reactor-grade plutonium. Prior to the 1970's, there were only two terms in use to define plutonium grades: weapon-grade (no more than 7 percent Pu-240) and reactor-grade (greater than 7 percent Pu-240). In the early 1970's, the term fuel-grade (approximately 7 percent to 19 percent Pu-240) came into use, which shifted the reactor-grade definition 19 percent or greater Pu-240.

Advanced nuclear weapon states such as the United States and Russia, using modern designs, could produce weapons from reactor-grade plutonium having reliable explosive yields, weight, and other characteristics generally comparable to those of weapons made from weapons-grade plutonium.

Reactor-grade plutonium is significantly more radioactive which complicates the design, manufacture and stockpiling of weapons. Use of reactor-grade plutonium would require large expenditures for remote manufacturing facilities to minimize radiation exposure to workers. Reactor-grade plutonium use in weapons would cause concern over radiation exposure to military service personnel.

The greater radioactivity would mean increased radiation doses to workers fabricating such weapons, and military personnel spending long periods of time in close proximity to them, and the greater heat and radiation generated from reactor-grade plutonium might result in a need to replace certain weapon components more frequently.

The odd numbered isotope, plutonium-241, is also a highly undesirable isotope as it decays to americium-241 which is an intense emitter of alpha particles, X and gamma rays. Plutonium-241 has a half-life of 13.2 years which means americium-241 accumulates quickly causing serious handling problems. Reactor-grade plutonium is significantly more radioactive which complicates the design, manufacture and stockpiling of weapons. Use of reactor-grade plutonium would require large expenditures for remote manufacturing facilities to minimize radiation exposure to workers. Reactor-grade plutonium use in weapons would cause concern over radiation exposure to military service personnel.

Weapon-grade plutonium has different characteristics. It contains mainly Pu-239 which has a half-life of 24 000 years and only very small quantities of Pu-241 (unlike reactor-grade plutonium which can contain around 15% Pu-241.) It is thus relatively stable and can be safely handled with a pair of thick gloves.

To achieve the high percentages of Pu-239 required for weapon grade plutonium, it must be produced specifically for this purpose. The uranium must spend only several weeks in the reactor core and then be removed. For this to be carried out in a LWR - the prevalent reactor design for electricity generation - the reactor would have to be shut down completely for such an operation; this is easily detectable.

The Isotopic Composition of Reactor and Weapon Grade Plutonium


Pu-238 (%) Pu-239 (%)  Pu-240 (%) Pu-241 (%) Pu-242 (%)
Reactor-Grade Plutonium
(3,7% U-235, 43,000 MWd/t)1
2
53
24
15
6
Weapon-Grade Plutonium 93 7
93
7


1 Source: Plutonium Fuel - OECD Report, 1989.



I hope that clears it up for you.

Regards,
GtG

8 posted on 10/14/2006 5:15:21 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: billorites

ROFL!! You must have been nervous.


9 posted on 10/14/2006 5:31:05 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Do what you love and the ridicule will follow.)
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To: SampleMan
"I'm a bit confused by the "fizzle" statements."

That's because most of the comments bearing technical/mathematical explanations are conflicting and missing the point. Here's the latest that I've seen (from yesterday) but also from "unnamed government sources" (like that above this thread).

Radioactive material found after N Korea test
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1719206/posts

...and what media people, import business investors and many others would like to distract us from. Most people (even most Republicans) are afraid and want the whole thing (mainly Iran) to just go away.

S. Korean Lawmaker, "Russia might have given N. Korea know-how of miniature nukes"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717327/posts

Using N. Korea as a leverage, Russia wins concession from U.S. on Georgia
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1719251/posts
10 posted on 10/14/2006 6:05:43 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: SampleMan
The word, "fizzle," came out in a report from a mysterious source right after the nuclear test, BTW. The media continue to recycle it. Fizzle is what happens when a pyro fuze on a keg of black powder burns or goes out, depending on how an hysterical mind wants to use it.

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric

11 posted on 10/14/2006 6:10:07 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons, even though demo is boring.)
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To: SampleMan
I'm guessing that "fizzle" refers to a nuclear explosion that did not take all of the fisible material critical. Sort of a firecracker that isn't wrapped tight enough.

Actually, that's a REALLY good analogy for a failed nuclear blast.

Improperly timed conventional detonations would keep the fissile material from going supercritical. Hence the term "fizzle".

12 posted on 10/14/2006 7:52:54 PM PDT by FierceDraka (When every special interest gets their way, there will be no more Liberty.)
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To: familyop
That's because most of the comments bearing technical/mathematical explanations are conflicting and missing the point.

It's not rocket science (actually it's nuclear physics) and there is no simple why of explaining it without examining details. As I posted in #8:

"Some nuclear weapons are typically designed so that a pulse of neutrons will start the nuclear chain reaction at the optimum moment for maximum yield; background neutrons from plutonium-240 can set off the reaction prematurely, and with reactor-grade plutonium the probability of such "pre-initiation" is large. Pre-initiation can substantially reduce the explosive yield, since the weapon may blow itself apart and thereby cut short the chain reaction that releases the energy.

Nevertheless, even if pre-initiation occurs at the worst possible moment (when the material first becomes compressed enough to sustain a chain reaction) the explosive yield of even a relatively simple first-generation nuclear device would be of the order of one or a few kilotons. While this yield is referred to as the "fizzle yield," a one-kiloton bomb would still have a radius of destruction roughly one-third that of the Hiroshima weapon, making it a potentially fearsome explosive."

I would think that it is extremely likely the NK used "reactor grade" plutonium in their weapon as it is more plentiful then weapons grade. That alone is reason enough for a "fizzle"

Regards,
GtG

13 posted on 10/14/2006 8:50:54 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Thank you. My suspicion came from the likelyhood that the N. Koreans used a Russian facility design (lack of fallout in the air). ...will try to dig that link up for you here.


14 posted on 10/14/2006 9:02:56 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
See the graphic and notes in comment #1. Consider that possibility with results (and lack of) of samples.
15 posted on 10/14/2006 9:07:33 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

BTW, do you know as to whether or not Khan's warhead designs use reactor plutonium? If that were the case (instead of a smaller Russian design), the DPRK would probably try mounting them on Sukhois or something like that.


16 posted on 10/14/2006 9:14:46 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Wow, what a fantastic post. Thank you.


17 posted on 10/15/2006 10:42:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Do not dispute the peacefulness of Islam, so as not to send Muslims into violent outrage.)
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