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US Navy launches 1st Littoral Combat Ship, US Coast Guard launches 1st National Security Cutter
US Navy, Chief of Naval Operations and US Coast Guard ^ | October 14, 2006 | Jeff Head

Posted on 10/14/2006 10:00:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head

US NAVY LAUNCHES AND CHRISTENS FIRST LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP (LCS)

From Chief of Naval Operations Public Affairs

MARINETTE, Wis. (NNS) -- Thousands looked on Sept. 24, 2006, as the Navy christened and launched the nation's first littoral combat ship, Freedom (LCS 1), at the Marinette Marine shipyard.

“Just a little more than three years ago she was just an idea, now Freedom stands before us. And on this morning, we christen her, send her down the ways and get her ready to join the fleet next year,” said Adm. Mike Mullen, Chief of Naval Operations. “It comes none too soon, because there are tough challenges out there that only she can handle.”

The 377-foot Freedom is capable of speeds in excess of 40 knots and can operate in water less than 20 feet deep. The ship will act as a platform for launch and recovery of manned and unmanned vehicles. Its modular design will support interchangeable mission packages, allowing the ship to be reconfigured for antisubmarine warfare, mine warfare, or surface warfare missions on an as-needed basis.

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The Lockheed Martin vessel is 377 feet long, will displace 2900 tons, has a top speed in excess of 50 knots, will be armed with a 57 mm gun, a RAM CIWS system, a 40 ft small boat, and two H-60 helos or up to three VUAVs. In addition, it can be outfitted for differing operation packages including anti-surface, anti-submarine, anti-mine, or special operations.

The General Dynamics Trimaran version , LCS 2 [i]Independence[/i], will be luanched and christened in 2007.


US COAST GUARD LAUNCHES AND CHRISTENS FIRST NATIONAL SECURIY CUTTER

US Coast Guard Public Affairs

The first National Security Cutter (NSC), USCGC Bertholf, was built at the Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (NGSS) Ingalls Operations in Pascagoula, Miss. A ceremony was held on September 9, 2004 to mark the beginning of construction of the first NSC. The cutter was launched on September 29, 2006. The construction of the second NSC is underway. (Photos courtesy of Northrop Grumman)

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Eight vessels are planned to be built. They displace 4,300 tons, have a CODAG propulsion, are armed with a 57mm main gun, carry two helos, or up to four VUAVs, or a mix of one helo and two VUAVs, have a close in weapons system (I believe VLS cells), is outfitted with a small boat package, and have enhancied interoperability between Coast Guard and US Navy.


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KEYWORDS: lcs; littoralcombatship; natsecuritycutter; navy; uscg; uscoastguard; usn; usnavy; warshipdevelopment
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To: BenLurkin; NonValueAdded; xkaydet65; CharlesWayneCT; Prost1; letsgonova19087
FYI...more on the LCS with pics...and also on the new Coast Guard cutter.

The old PT boats were similar in scope, but a lot smaller. These will be a good thing for PHIBRON operations, special forces, anti-mining, ASW, etc in the littoral regions and under cover of carrier or other strike groups further out to sea.

21 posted on 10/14/2006 11:04:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
If you want to know the real skinny...

LCS 1 has MANY (some very big) problems and is being built just to be built. It is hoped that at least some of its fundamental problems can be fixed in future builds but I think that even that is unrealistically optimistic.

LCS 2 will be the real thing. Even though it is not without sins, it is far and away superior militarily, technically, and even financially. Come future builds, it's superiority will just increase.

Oh well, politics and industrial welfare continues well and strong in Washington.

22 posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:32 AM PDT by nevergiveup (Locals say "puh-TUCK-it")
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To: nevergiveup
I also think the GD design is superior. I am excited about its launch, hopefully next year. It's going to be quite the vessel and I am hoping the final winner in the competition after they each build two (I believe) will be GD.

For the sake of the thread, here are a couple of pics of artist renderings of the GD design.

Having said all of that, I believe Lockheed will make their LCS design work...it's just that I think for this role, the trimaran design is better, and GD has a lot of great shipbuilding experience.

23 posted on 10/14/2006 11:27:24 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Anybody find "U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter" somewhat redundant?


24 posted on 10/14/2006 11:31:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I believe the actual designation has been changed and that the WMSL designation for this cutter (WMSL 750) reflects this. Maritime Security Cutter - Large, is the appropriate designation according to Global Security
25 posted on 10/14/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: GreyFriar

Littoral Combat Ship

specs and design

Also note the gun being delivered by BAE:

MINNEAPOLIS -- BAE Systems has been awarded a contract from Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (NGSS) to deliver a second 57-mm Mk 110 Naval Gun system for its integration onto the U.S. Coast Guard's Maritime Security Cutter, Large. The gun system was selected as the main battery on the Large, a new ship under development as part of the Integrated Deepwater System program.

"The Mk 110 fires 220 rounds per minute with superior accuracy and has a range of up to nine miles," said Jeff Graslewicz, BAE Systems' Mk 110 program manager. "The Mk 110 is unmatched, and it's the perfect choice for the Maritime Security Cutter, Large - it's going to provide our sailors with sophisticated firepower, precision and protection."

The BAE Systems 57-mm Mk 110 Naval Gun system was also selected as the Close-in Gun System on the U.S. Navy's DD(X) ship. Additionally, Lockheed Martin selected the Mk 110 for its Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Flight 0, and General Dynamics has baselined the gun system for its version of the LCS. Once in full-rate production the 57-mm Mk 110 will be manufactured at BAE Systems' facility in Louisville, Ky.

200 rounds/minute of 57 mm is enough to ruin most people's day
26 posted on 10/14/2006 11:45:07 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor
And the ammo for the Mk 110 is
This versatile gun system is paired with the Bofors Defence family of 3P (Pre-fragmented Programmable Proximity fuzed) ammunition for combating aerial, surface, and ground targets. This ammunition, designated as the Mk 295 Mod 0, gives the Mk 110 Naval Gun increased tactical flexibility and ammunition effects.

27 posted on 10/14/2006 11:50:03 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 10/14/2006 11:55:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SauronOfMordor

Excellent find on the documentation of what several of us have tried to say in our own words. Thanks.


29 posted on 10/14/2006 11:55:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Now, the new CVN-21 carriers are going to have plenty of power.


30 posted on 10/14/2006 12:18:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (If you know that i and j are the same number, you might be a nerd too.)
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Ah...but that is not a CVN-21, thats the first in class, CVGS-1 (Carrier Garbage Scow), I guess the actual USS Bill Clinton.


31 posted on 10/14/2006 12:27:55 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
I am hoping the final winner in the competition after they each build two (I believe) will be GD.

Let me be a little more clear, BOTH types ARE going to production - period.

Oh and its not that a trimaran is better suited for the task its that the Lockheed side messed up big time. [Hint, they didn't built the ship that was asked for or what they said they were going to build.]

32 posted on 10/14/2006 12:52:48 PM PDT by nevergiveup (Locals say "puh-TUCK-it")
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To: nevergiveup
So...what, are we going to build 30 or so of each.

This is the first I have heard that the competition has been in essence suspended and that both designs are going to be produced.

Interesting. If this is so, will they both still be multi-mission for the same missions and a complete overlap, or will they earmarked for differing missions?

33 posted on 10/14/2006 1:06:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: nevergiveup
Oh and its not that a trimaran is better suited for the task its that the Lockheed side messed up big time. [Hint, they didn't built the ship that was asked for or what they said they were going to build.]

Care to elaborate?

34 posted on 10/14/2006 1:13:16 PM PDT by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: Jeff Head
Lockheed Martin?
Northrop Grumman?

That's sooo wrong.

35 posted on 10/14/2006 1:15:18 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Jeff Head
"377-foot Freedom is capable of speeds in excess of 40 knots"

Code for "top flank speed is classified." Sounds like it can run with the drug runner's power boats, or the boats used by muslim pirates. ("I, Mamood, am seizing your oil tanker in the name of Allah!")
36 posted on 10/14/2006 1:21:25 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Sounds like it can run with the drug runner's power boats, or the boats used by muslim pirates.

...or run them down.

37 posted on 10/14/2006 1:24:22 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Why risk your hull and crew when you have a 57mm gun? The merry sound of fully automatic armament in use beats the sickening sound of a metal on metal collision.
38 posted on 10/14/2006 1:34:11 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Well, of course I didn't mean to literally run them down, hehehe. But in the sense of either forcing them to heave to or be destroyed.
39 posted on 10/14/2006 1:38:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head; GreyFriar
I went looking for the higher-calibre guns that GreyFriar mentioned. The Italian 76mm fires a bigger projectile (14 lbs vs 6 lbs), but at a lower rate of fire (120 rpm vs 220), and per the article, has
reliability and accuracy problems. When fired at maximum ROF, there is a tendency for the mount to "self-destruct," in the words of one of the Project Engineers who worked on the weapon. During a test shoot, the weapon was unable to hold a 20-round burst on a 20 x 20 foot (6m x 6m) target at 500 yards (460 m).
The Italian 127mm can only do 40 rpm of much heavier rounds (67 lbs avg)

The 57mm's high rate of fire will put a comparable amount of HE on target, and is likely to be more effective against swarm attacks of lots of small expendable boats.

Realisticly, anything that needs hitting with a 127mm is worth hitting with a missile

40 posted on 10/14/2006 2:05:33 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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