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To: GodGunsGuts

Well the 10-year treasury bond reached a yield of about 3.5% during the lows in interest rates in 2002-2003. Today the yield is about 4.8%. Most mortgages are based on this rate, so that would imply that a 15 year mortgage, which is around 5.7% today, would have been 4.4% at the low point. I don't think 4.4% was an "insanely low" rate, and it only lasted at that level for about 10 months, and then bounced up to 4.8%. You have to keep in mind the long-term decline in inflation, which stopped this year because of oil price increases, but I think will resume again in the current quarter of this year. There have been major improvements in oil drilling/exploration/production technology which is increasing oil production rapidly. The Peak Oil crowd is going to go bonkers as prices stabilize around $60 for the next several years.


138 posted on 10/14/2006 12:44:34 PM PDT by defenderSD (The concept of national martyrdom, combined with nuclear weapons, is extremely dangerous.)
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To: defenderSD; ex-Texan; durasell; Pelham; djf; RobRoy; winodog; Toddsterpatriot; Fan of Fiat; ...
Hi DefenderSD, I'm back to continue the debate. I have pinged a few people who are pro and con to get their thoughts as well. To answer your questions...

When I speak of a credit bubble, I don't just mean artificially low interest rates, I also mean loose lending standards. These two things combined to fuel the real estate bubble IMO. Not only did declining interest rates make ever more expensive houses more affordable, but loose lending practices encouraged people to take on risky loans *and* engage in speculation. As you can see from the following graph, house prices have a close correlation with household income. When house prices rise above household income, as can be clearly seen in the early 1980s and mid 1990s, a housing bubble followed. And if this chart is any indication of things to come, the bubbles of the early '80s and mid '90s will be considered mild in comparison to the bubble we find ourselves in now.

And for that matter, population and building cost increases don't explain the phenomenal rise in home prices either:

Nor do inadequate supply explain the rapid appreciation in housing prices. Indeed, it's just the opposite. We have built millions more homes than there are buyers:

http://www.safehaven.com/article-5841.htm

So unless you can give me a solid alternative explanation, it would appear that low interest rates combined with loose lending standards are the cause of the current housing bubble.

And finally, let me leave you with an idea of how housing bubbles deflate. The following three housing busts occured in the 1980s and 1990s. Notice how long the corrections lasted, and how far they fell in real terms. My contention is the next housing bust will be nationwide, last longer, and take a huge toll on the larger economy:


158 posted on 10/14/2006 10:59:29 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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