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Peace Prize goes to Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank
nobelprize.org ^ | October 13, 2006

Posted on 10/13/2006 2:23:11 AM PDT by HAL9000

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The Nobel Peace Prize goes to Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank "for their efforts to create economic and social development from below".

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nobel; nobelpeaceprize; peaceprize
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To: LadyPilgrim

Meaning the help goes directly to the people in need, rather than to governments. Is that a concept too difficult to grasp?


21 posted on 10/13/2006 4:23:04 AM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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To: Moonman62

If I remember correctly, this is a program that loans money to destitute people in order for them to start small, at home businesses. They loan money for things like a stove so that a woman can make money selling rice cakes to workers, or sewing machines so that they can make clothes to sell. I think this is a good program, if it is the one I am thinking of.


22 posted on 10/13/2006 4:27:07 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: DB; HAL9000

I have met Yunus. He is outstanding and the prize is well-deserved.

Essentially his message is that access to capital is a human right.

This man doesn't believe in giving away money, like the East Coast elite foundations. He lends poor, but honest people money at affordable rates and trusts them, with the pressure of their communities, to pay it back.

It works.

This man's mission and deeds are fully in line with conservative principles.


23 posted on 10/13/2006 4:29:31 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: tet68
Shouldn't this title read, Peace prize goes to Capitalism and free market. ?

Yes, but it took Yunus to believe that poor people weren't too lazy or stupid to pay back loans.

The prize is well deserved.

24 posted on 10/13/2006 4:30:26 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Moonman62

This IS the American model. Grameen is really about a close as you could get to pure capitalism in its most benevolent and optimistic light as you could possibly get. Yunus, who has a PhD from Vanderbilt right here in Nashville, started lending small amounts of money to villagers in his native Bangladesh, and found, that they used this capital productively, improved their lives, and PAID THE MONEY BACK, unlike their government.


Here is a quotation from Yunus, who should be a hero to Freepers:

“Grameen believes that charity is not an answer to poverty. It only helps poverty to continue,” wrote Yunus in September 2004. “It creates dependency and takes away individual initiative to break through the wall of poverty. Unleashing of energy and creativity in each human being is the answer to poverty.”


25 posted on 10/13/2006 4:31:15 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yunus' model is not in anyway left wing. In fact it has no politics whatsoever, unless you think providing people access to capital is political.

You are way off base. This man one the prize for following what are essentually conservative princples.


26 posted on 10/13/2006 4:31:57 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Thanks for providing the additional information. I remembered correctly, and this is a wonderful and well-deserved choice for the Nobel.


27 posted on 10/13/2006 4:34:37 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple
Agreed. Grameen Bank is trying to spread capitalism to some of the poorest people of the world, and get them out of poverty through self-help. This is an excellent choice and well deserved.

Regards, Ivan

28 posted on 10/13/2006 4:36:31 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

With what little I know about it, I don't have a problem with it. The issue is though, that without the rule of law and private property rights the rest is for naught. They may succeed in the short term, but as their success becomes common place protection money among other corruption will follow and strangle it to death.


29 posted on 10/13/2006 4:36:38 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: OldFriend

I'm sorry...did I ask something offensive?

I read the complete article and had never heard it put that way before.

It sounded somewhat demeaning.
Not very PC, of such a PC group.

Besides that, I said it was a bit early. ;-) Matter of fact....still is.


30 posted on 10/13/2006 4:37:34 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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To: DB
You know, I think poor people would rather have the opportunity than nothing because there is the possibility that something bad might happen in the future.

It's sort of like saying that people shouldn't bother earning money here because one might have to pay high taxes.

31 posted on 10/13/2006 4:40:48 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

No, its more like building a house without a foundation.

The foundation for capitalism is the rule of law and private property rights.


32 posted on 10/13/2006 4:43:30 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: DB
The foundation for capitalism is the rule of law and private property rights

They seem to have lifted millions out of poverty in China with a kind-of, sort-of capitalism that is not quite so clear on such things. I'd rather that the Bangladeshis had that opportunity to lift themselves out than not.

But it doesn't really matter what we say, micro-credit is a fast spreading phenomenon throughout the Third World, and thankfully so.

Regards, Ivan

33 posted on 10/13/2006 4:46:00 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: DB
Does Bangladesh not have private property? I don't know much about them, but I believe they do. The fact that the very poor don't have property is because they are poor, not because there is a law against private property in Bangladesh.

I will check in later today for your reply. I need to leave for a few hours.

34 posted on 10/13/2006 4:46:37 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: DB
without the rule of law and private property rights the rest is for naught.

Small steps my friend, small steps. Yunus is providing the horse to pull that heavy cart.

35 posted on 10/13/2006 4:49:34 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: LadyPilgrim
It's Bangladesh.

Many simply don't realize that little mud hut villages have need to be self sustaining. This man began an effort to get seed money, or start up money, to these small groups so they could feed themselves and better their lives.

By bypassing the government and dealing directly with those in need, he created a new way of life.

36 posted on 10/13/2006 4:50:04 AM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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To: Miss Marple

No good deed goes unpunished. The negative reaction to this man's personal efforts is really sad.


37 posted on 10/13/2006 4:51:19 AM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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To: Miss Marple

Agreed. This is a good thing. They loan like $25 for a loom, for people who want to make clothes. Banks wouldn't touch these folks, but it has allowed talented very poor people to work themselves out of poverty. That is all some poor folks need is just a tiny loan if they have skills and drive to do something. I like the concept in general.

How many stories have we heard in our country about somebody borrowing $200 for an idea and becoming wealthy. It happens. In bangladesh, $200 can finance somebody who is committed, into changing their lives.


38 posted on 10/13/2006 4:53:27 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: MadIvan

I hope it works. I hope it lasts.

I'm just skeptical (shocking, I know...)


39 posted on 10/13/2006 4:53:31 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: OldFriend
Well I can only assume you are referring to me.

I didn't say anything negative about the program itself or the persons who won the prize.

I'm just concerned a fundamental element of capitalism is missing.
40 posted on 10/13/2006 4:56:57 AM PDT by DB (©)
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