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Military class for kids stirs protest (science class at ANG base)
The Oregonian ^ | October 11, 2006 | JOSEPH ROSE

Posted on 10/11/2006 1:21:14 PM PDT by crazyhorse691

Parents say a U.S.-funded science program smacks of recruitment

The Starbase program, which promises five days of space and aviation "field experiences" using real jet engines and advanced computer technology, would usually seem a perfect fit for a math and science magnet school.

But add U.S. military funding, classes at an Oregon National Guard base and anger about the Iraq war, and the experiment goes haywire, at least at Southeast Portland's Winterhaven K-8 School.

Worried that Starbase is as much about military indoctrination as hands-on education, parents of 12 Winterhaven fourth- and fifth-graders have refused to let their children take part in the program at the Guard's Jackson Armory and Portland Air Base.

The boycott means 20 percent of the 60 eligible Winterhaven students won't attend what school officials insist is one of the year's most exciting and illuminating lessons. The first day camp was Monday; the program will continue one day a week for a month.

"Just on principle, I couldn't do it," said James Ewing, who refused to sign the Starbase permission slip sent home last week with his fourth-grade daughter. "It's not appropriate for the military to be conducting what amounts to a recruiting program at an elementary school level."

This is the first time Winterhaven has been invited to the Department of Defense-funded Starbase. But students from the Portland, North Clackamas, Canby and David Douglas school districts have gone to the local military post for the aeronautics and team-building academy since the early 1990s.

Of the $15 million that the Pentagon sent to Starbase programs nationwide this year, $240,000 landed in Portland, paying for a director, two teachers and two aides. Five percent also goes to the school district, covering administrative costs.

Each year, four or five students don't get on the bus to the Guard base because of their parents' objections to the military's role, said Marilyn Sholian, Starbase director for Portland Public Schools.

But Sholian has never seen anything like the mass protest at Winterhaven. "I was shocked by the number and adamancy," she said.

Winterhaven Principal Tanya Ghattas signed the school up for Starbase two weeks ago, after another Portland school suddenly gave up its spot in the program's fall schedule.

Parents voiced concerns right away. Some were alarmed simply by the wording of a note sent home: "Starbase is targeting fifth-grade students in Portland Public Schools."

At a meeting with 32 parents last week, Ghattas tried to ease the anxiety. Yes, she told them, their children would see fighter jets up close and hear presentations from engineers and pilots in uniform, but the only mission was to offer hands-on mechanical experiments and computer labs beyond anything at Winterhaven.

"I assured them that this is just a good science program that happens to be at a military facility," she said.

Yet, as Ewing noted, Starbase's Web site states that part of the program's mission is to improve the military's image among young people. "They may not come out and say it's recruitment," he said. "But they're definitely laying the groundwork for that."

Trying to improve misperceptions about the military's image isn't the same as recruiting, said Capt. Mike Braibish, an Oregon National Guard spokesman. "There are a lot of misconceptions about the military out there," he said.

As far as Starbase being used as a recruiting tool, Braibish said no one has tracked the number of kids going through the program who join the armed forces. "But I imagine those numbers are quite low," he said. "The fact is, this program improves skills in critical fields that help not only the military, but society at large."

Ewing said he isn't anti-military. Another of his objections to Starbase is that it appears to redirect money that could be used to buy better equipment and body armor for soldiers in Iraq, he said.

After attending Starbase with his daughter's fifth-grade class Monday, Larry Risley wonders whether Ewing and the other parents are overreacting.

"It was pretty sophisticated stuff, showing how planes fly and the properties of air," he said. "You actually felt like you were in a classroom. We didn't even see the airbase."

Michele Shultz, Winterhaven's PTSA president, is equally perplexed, especially because parents send their children to the school to focus on math and science -- not politics. "I've heard that parents kept students out to protest the Iraq war," she said. "I can't follow that line of logic."

But for Jessica Applegate-Brown, making the connection was easy: If she openly talks about her opposition to the Iraq war around her fourth-grade son, how could she encourage him to spend time around soldiers and war machines?

"I'm objecting to the climate we're in right now," she said. "Ten years ago, this may have not been a big deal. But now, it is."

Joseph Rose: 503-221-8029; josephrose@news.oregonian.com


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To: crazyhorse691

This actually sounds engaging and interesting. I realize these concepts are usually frowned upon in public school but it is a credit to the school district for actually offering such a program. For our "career day" field trip, my class was subjected to a local beauty school and a tour of the regional post office. Oddly enough, my vocational interests did not align with either of these venues...


21 posted on 10/11/2006 1:42:44 PM PDT by philled ("Enshrine mediocrity — and the shrines are razed... "-- Ellsworth Toohey)
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To: crazyhorse691

But for Jessica Applegate-Brown, making the connection was easy: If she openly talks about her opposition to the Iraq war around her fourth-grade son, how could she encourage him to spend time around soldiers and war machines?

"I'm objecting to the climate we're in right now," she said. "Ten years ago, this may have not been a big deal. But now, it is."



Hmm, who was president 10 yrs ago??? Oh her philanderer in chief Clintoooon.


22 posted on 10/11/2006 1:43:50 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: crazyhorse691

When the kids talk to their peers, and learn what a fun time the attendees actually had, the parents can explain to their children why they kept them out of a great learning opportunity because of some vague political beliefs.

That should go a long way toward creating an interest in the child in learning more.


23 posted on 10/11/2006 1:45:34 PM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: crazyhorse691
Both of my boys have gone through this program here in Hawaii. These people don't realize what they are missing. My boys were so excited about science at the end of the program, it was amazing.

What did they do? Used an egg to test inertia, landed a plane with a simulated flight program, used CAD to design a space station, built and launched model rockets and more. Parents were invited for the rocket launch and graduation ceremony. The instructors were frank:
We do not have enough math and science majors to fill the (security) needs of the U.S.
Math is the language of science

What Starbase Atlantis does is more exciting that the science program at probably 95% of the schools. Perhaps they will turn a few heads to consider that as a field, but it doesn't mean they will go through the military.

24 posted on 10/11/2006 1:47:50 PM PDT by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: crazyhorse691
Worried that Starbase is as much about military indoctrination as hands-on education,

Yet none of them are worried about daily, coast-to-coast moonbat indoctrination at all educational levels.
25 posted on 10/11/2006 1:49:36 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
"Applegate-Brown...huh..a hyphenated last name..."

Somebody who so vehemently protests a male dominated culture they identify themself by the last names of their husband AND their dad!

26 posted on 10/11/2006 1:52:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack


Yeah, fancy that, I bet she's a real prize to have around during the holidays.


27 posted on 10/11/2006 2:18:50 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

So will the Auri be neutralized? Or do you think it will be one of those "we will never know..."


28 posted on 10/11/2006 2:27:11 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Study science? Their stupid teachers want them to play Islam,
learn to be beheaded and act as a docile dhimmi.
29 posted on 10/11/2006 2:28:47 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: crazyhorse691

Oregon moonbats rule. What would one expect?


30 posted on 10/11/2006 2:33:17 PM PDT by hardworking
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To: in hoc signo vinces
"Yeah, fancy that, I bet she's a real prize to have around during the holidays."

I'm sure the whole family gets together to mark each of the solstices.

31 posted on 10/11/2006 2:33:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Ruth A.

I agree with everything you wrote. I had mentioned my previous post that my son had attended the program here in San Diego. I can't wait for my daughter to reach 4th grade and be eligible.


32 posted on 10/11/2006 2:35:57 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty
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To: doc30


They'll tie up the story arc when the season starts up again in January...Auri go poof! I took SG-1 nearly 8 seasons to defeat the Gouold and now, they take out beings as powerful as the ancients in two seasons...wow, go our guys...

Seriously write in to the SciFi Channel, let them know that, once again, the channel is shooting themselves in the foot by canceling quality programming....

Jeeeez....they could get rid of that ECW Wrestling krap and keep Stargate....


33 posted on 10/11/2006 2:36:40 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: crazyhorse691

They do this program at Whiting Field in Milton, FL. It is a great program and the kids love it. It has nothing to do with recruitment. It is a hands on program to get kids interested in science. Amazing that parents object to that simply because it is associated with the military.


34 posted on 10/11/2006 2:49:28 PM PDT by imskylark
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To: crazyhorse691

"If she openly talks about her opposition to the Iraq war around her fourth-grade son, how could she encourage him to spend time around soldiers and war machines? "

I bet she is one of those who always tells people that she is against the war but not the troops.


35 posted on 10/11/2006 2:51:57 PM PDT by imskylark
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To: 2nsdammit

Yep... That plus the message of "forbidden fruit" that they are sending to their children may have exactly the opposite effect of what the parents intended...


36 posted on 10/11/2006 2:54:59 PM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: crazyhorse691

It is very easy to spot the loonies from the San Francisco area that moved North to Oregon. Problem they have is the loonies keep breeding and raise more idiots that the rest of us to have to deal with. It's a vicious cycle, isn't it?


37 posted on 10/11/2006 3:08:14 PM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: crazyhorse691
"Just on principle, I couldn't do it," said James Ewing, who refused to sign the Starbase permission slip sent home last week with his fourth-grade daughter. "It's not appropriate for the military to be conducting what amounts to a recruiting program at an elementary school level." Where does this ... um ... rocket scientist think the pool of astronauts comes from?

Say, what about that evil Bush military-industrial complex? I hope Mr. Ewing stands on principle against accepting any government funds offered as welfare. Wouldn't want to handle tainted money, ya know, and it could go way further towards ballistics vests for those troops he's so eager to support.
38 posted on 10/11/2006 4:04:56 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (Suicide Bomb Instructor: "Now pay attention, I'm only gonna do this once...")
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To: crazyhorse691

I'll bet they think this is great too.

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39 posted on 10/11/2006 7:10:15 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: SFC Chromey
"Ten years ago, this may have not been a big deal. But now, it is."
Back then my daughter considered the Marine Corps. Not big on that for girls generally - but under Clinton? Happily other opportunities opened for her . . .

40 posted on 10/12/2006 2:52:53 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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