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Boy in "Hopeless" Vegetative State Awakens and Steadily Improves
LifeSiteNews ^ | 10/10/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 10/10/2006 4:04:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: ladyjane

I'd be interested in the details since that is what may make all the difference.


101 posted on 10/11/2006 7:24:00 AM PDT by graf008
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To: ladyjane; graf008

The problem with living wills and advance medical directives is that in many cases, what is being used is standard boilerplate forms furnished by hospitals. And most of these forms don't allow for a lot of amending to be done because it might not stand up in court later. And keep in mind that these forms are drawn up by the same organization that will later be pushing to discontinue medical care.

Everyone really should have a living will and AMD that is drawn up by an experienced attorney. I realize that this is going to cost several hundred dollars or more, but it's your life we are taking about here.


102 posted on 10/11/2006 7:42:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ladyjane
Your recollection is good. The granddaughter had a FINANCIAL power of attorney and used it to claim she had a medical power of attorney. The bluff worked enough for her to order that her grandmother be put to death by denial of water and food. As I recall, the cavalry got there in time and the grandmother survived. (I believe she died later due to natural causes.)

Why would the granddaughter try so hard to kill her grandma? The speculation was -- financial gain as an heir, or to cover up her mishandling of the old woman's assets.

Here's a link: Mae Magouirk case

103 posted on 10/11/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: wagglebee

Just tired your link our school fire wall will not allow access to the site because it is a pro life site.


104 posted on 10/11/2006 8:11:01 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: EveningStar

That was a hilarious episode.


105 posted on 10/11/2006 8:13:10 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: ladyjane
Another moral: spend your money now or let somebody else spend it later.

Isn't that the sad truth in some families. I remember reading a letter to Dear Abby about someone who was upset that their parents were taking lavish trips and spending 'our inheritance". Or the time I went to a local beauty shop and overheard and lady talking about grandchildren trying to empty out and sell their grandma's belongings while she was out of town. A neighbor put a stop to that.

106 posted on 10/11/2006 8:21:41 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: wagglebee

:) One of the tricks from the olde HTML sandbox.


107 posted on 10/11/2006 8:43:31 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: ladyjane
Another moral: spend your money now or let somebody else spend it later.

Some years ago there was a book out entitled "Die Broke" (I think that was the name of it).

From the back cover I remember the quote, "The last check you make should be to your undertaker - and it should bounce!"

Don't know if I agree with that, but the man does make a point, in light of your post.

CA....

108 posted on 10/11/2006 9:14:40 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: jackibutterfly

I've seen that video and I know what you're referring to. She was responding, and I agree.


109 posted on 10/11/2006 9:15:42 AM PDT by Lucky9teen ("I love the smell of strategery in the morning...")
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


110 posted on 10/11/2006 9:54:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: graf008

I have been reading this discussion of the way to treat patients diagnosed in PVS. You have said you do not want to be kept alive in such a state of suffering when there is no hope of full recovery. I don't think you are terrible for this opinion but I think it is much more complex than what was presented in the pro-death Terry S. case.

Her husband was no angel by any means. He wanted her dead and before that, he wanted her under total control. Did he want her unrehabilitated and ultimately dead because he did not want a witness to what happened to her? You can not know for sure as the testimony of family and friends would not permit such sureness.

Christians are not opposed to permiting one to die who is dying. They would demand mercy in aleivating pain and suffering along the way - that includes food and water because it is very painful to die of dehydration and starvation. They also demand morphine, even if that pain relief quickens the death. Christians will not put you on a breathing machine when you are terminal as reported in the movies.

However, when it comes to killing those who are handicapped - that is not what Christian ethics can permit. If you want folks to kill you because you are not perfect, don't ask Christians to have anything to do with your death. Since Christians make up the majority of the voting public, don't expect the State to take up the policy of killing the handicapped. And when the State does, as in the case of Terry S., expect Christians to raise hell about it.

Think about it long and hard. Do you want folks without the burden of morals, and most likely with self interests to see you dead, to be legally, in control of you at your death?

Many would starve you and dehydrate you and claim it feels wonderful to you while you have no voice to say...You can oly suffer their ignorance and/or self interest. Handicapped people can have a happy life and don't want to be killed by relatives in cahoots with the State.
Careful. It is more complex than you are seeing right now.


111 posted on 10/11/2006 10:01:47 AM PDT by Texas Chilli
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To: T'wit; graf008

Thanks for finding that link. You're right, she had financial power of attorney and used that to have the woman starved and dehydrated.

I went to dogpile and couldn't find it because somehow I thought the woman was from Maryland, not Georgia.


112 posted on 10/11/2006 10:05:02 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Texas Chilli

Not really. I charge certain individuals with my care - to them whom I trust. If I become a financial burden and in no way can, myself, reap the benefits of this world, I don't want any artifical means to sustain my life (whether that means nutrition provided outside of my normal digestive system or the like).

It is simple.


113 posted on 10/11/2006 3:58:23 PM PDT by graf008
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To: DManA
God's plan includes death at this point. Stop fighting Him and accept it.



So are you saying this mother should have turned the machines off on her son who is now awake and alive, and recuperating? What if he makes a total recovery and goes to college and becomes a doctor? Maybe one day you'll be in a coma, he'll be your doctor, and he will suggest they prematurely pull the plug on you!
114 posted on 10/11/2006 4:21:13 PM PDT by reillygirl246
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To: spunkets
A seizure does not result in a permanent vegetative state. It doesn't even result in a vegetative state.


Usually the only time a seizure would possibly result in a vegetative state is if the boy had something similar to an aneurysm. I know this because I have what is called an arterial venous malformation. It is a cluster of blood vessels in my brain that is not supposed to be there. It is something you are born with, but doesn't present itself until the age of somewhere between 20 and 40.

It usually presents itself in the form of a seizure or a hemorrhage or a seizure accompanied by a hemorrhage. But had he had something like that they would have seem it, maybe not on the CT scan, but definitely on an MRI. If he had a bleed that would have explained the coma, or vegetative state.
115 posted on 10/11/2006 4:27:35 PM PDT by reillygirl246
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To: T'wit

Well, that was pre-viagra. And even then, the commercial motive wouldn't stop some kind a' gal. I mean isn't Larry King recently married?


116 posted on 10/11/2006 4:35:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
>> I mean isn't Larry King recently married?

I don't recall ever hearing of a time when Larry King wasn't recently married. I also hear he's a nice guy, but have to chide you on one point. He's not a day over 300.

117 posted on 10/11/2006 4:47:10 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: wagglebee
I have heard stories of stroke victims in their 70s being told there was no hope for a meaningful recovery, and yet through intense physical, speech, and occupational therapy they were able to nearly recover eerything they had lost.

Never underestimate the human body's power to heal it self.

118 posted on 10/11/2006 4:50:27 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: T'wit

"Recent" has a extended meaning in Larry's case.


119 posted on 10/11/2006 4:52:20 PM PDT by bvw
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To: graf008

The story I was referring to was on Oprah perhaps ten years ago, and although I couldn't find it, I did find another site that had some pretty amazing stories about people overcoming brain injuries. None of them seem to be as drastic as the story I saw years ago, but one of the people had the entire frontal lobe missing. www.braininjury.com


120 posted on 10/11/2006 4:54:21 PM PDT by solosmoke
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