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We are repeating history. This is just like when the Fascist states were on the rise in the 1930's.

As I said before, we never learn.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/09/2006 4:14:53 PM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 10/09/2006 4:15:07 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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All except the USA and Japan are still asleep. b


3 posted on 10/09/2006 4:17:50 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Foley is why we don't allow queers to be Scoutmasters.)
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To: MadIvan

Well I smelled a RAT back in 1993 when Jimmah Cartah went to North Korea to capitulate. I noticed how I never heard anything from Kim Il Sung while Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were President, but within weeks of the bent one becoming President, Kim Il Sung was making noises about his "civilian" nuclear program.


4 posted on 10/09/2006 4:22:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MadIvan
Count me as one of those who doesn't care.

Over recent years, my "worry bone" has just been completely worn out.

I've been deluged with warnings as well as threats of increased taxes, fines, imprisonment, etc. over Alar, recreational drugs, global warming, first-and-second-hand tobacco smoke, seat belt and child-restraint device usage, bad eating habits, and the benefits of low-flow toilets among a thousand other things.

My worry bone is broken or worn out.

5 posted on 10/09/2006 4:23:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: MadIvan
I've been saying for a while that anyone who wonders what it was like to live in Europe in the mid to late 30s just needs to look around.

"When they behead your children in the wars to come, then you will know."

L

6 posted on 10/09/2006 4:24:39 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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If there is "real" unanimity about North Korea, it isn't a problem. We could just, for instance, let the Chinese invade and take North Korea over, and it would be a done deal.

But everyone knows there isn't real unanimity. Nothing useful will be done.

8 posted on 10/09/2006 4:31:27 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: MadIvan

I'm reminded of the last paragraph of Homage to Catalonia.


It is one of the weaknesses of free societies to underestimate the intentions of the evil.


9 posted on 10/09/2006 4:34:01 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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I'm sure this will be solved when the U.N. passes a bunch of strongly worded yet meaningless resolutions threatening to impose sanctions against North Korea. ;o)
12 posted on 10/09/2006 4:39:40 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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The author seems to have awoken rather lately. Those in the business have been working (often against the prevailing political winds) on the problems for some decades. Does the author think the US should get into a war with China over North Korean nuclear research? Has he looked at any of the implications? (I don't have an answer either, of course.) NK and China do have a mutual defence treaty.


23 posted on 10/09/2006 4:50:42 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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The West, since about the early 1970s, has lacked the courage to squarely blame the ultimate originating states of all subsequent proliferation, Russia and China.


26 posted on 10/09/2006 4:54:43 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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With President Bush in the role of Churchill; except that Churchill was out pf power, when he was the one lone voice, crying in the wilderness about what was to come.
29 posted on 10/09/2006 5:08:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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I remember quite well the hue and cry and horror when Bush named the DRPK as part of the axis of evil. Oh no, not Dear Reader, he's just a nice guy!


33 posted on 10/09/2006 5:58:32 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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Small correction, Ivan...it's our stupid politicians who never learn. We Conservatives have been beating the drums here for years on this, and now it has finally come to pass.


34 posted on 10/09/2006 6:02:21 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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In the four years since Mr Bush's "axis of evil" speech, the constant bickering over how to handle rogue regimes

The press, including the Telegraph, is responsible for well over half of it. So to the editors of the Telegraph, I can only say "Shut the f*** up."
35 posted on 10/09/2006 6:49:09 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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Bullshit! President Bill Clinton knew exactly what he was doing and what the results would be when he sent ex-President and media idol Jimmy Carter to aid and abet Nortn Korea develop their nuclear program.

Clinton knew exactly what he was doing and what the end result would be when he allowed the Communists Chinese to steal out nuclear technology [secrets].

The price of the above actions will be paid, later down the road, in American blood.

But in the end, Americans can only blame themselves,[the Democrats and msm will blame President Bush],the elect and re-elected Bill Clinton.


37 posted on 10/09/2006 7:07:10 PM PDT by sport
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As I said before, we never learn.

Throughout the entire history of civilisation, war has come on average to every-other generation. The survivors of the generation that experienced war (on both sides) live to govern the next generation and maintain peace. The generation that grew up in peace has only heard horror stories - but they don't possess any real experiences. Eventually, they then become the next generation to go to war, thus continuing the cycle...

40 posted on 10/09/2006 8:15:27 PM PDT by Chuck Dent
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