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Bring Them Freedom, Or They Destroy Us
Real Clear Politics ^ | September 20, 2006 | Bernard Lewis

Posted on 10/06/2006 9:54:57 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 10/06/2006 9:54:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
There will be peace when the surviving Muslims repudiate jihad and dhimmitude.
2 posted on 10/06/2006 10:10:16 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: neverdem

Bernard Lewis bump.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 10:21:42 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: neverdem

Bookmark for later read.


4 posted on 10/06/2006 10:31:23 PM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: neverdem
Bring Them Freedom, Or They Destroy Us

What's wrong with "Respect our freedom or we destroy you"?

5 posted on 10/06/2006 10:34:19 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: neverdem

6 posted on 10/06/2006 10:46:15 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: neverdem
The response to 9/11 came as a nasty surprise. They were expecting more of the same--bleating and apologies--instead of which they got a vigorous reaction, first in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. And as they used to say in Moscow: It is no accident, comrades, that there has been no successful attack in the United States since then. -Bernard Lewis

Vigorous reaction, i.e. Let's Roll, was the right move. Now follow through.

Stupendous piece by the great Bernard Lewis.

7 posted on 10/06/2006 10:47:22 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
PORK BEFORE DEFENSE

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8 posted on 10/07/2006 12:00:37 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

"Vigorous Reaction" - sounds liek a screen name, or tagline!


9 posted on 10/07/2006 1:05:52 AM PDT by karnage
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To: neverdem

There are, as I've tried to point out, elements in Islamic society which could well be conducive to democracy. And there are encouraging signs at the present moment--what happened in Iraq, for example, with millions of Iraqis willing to stand in line to vote, knowing that they were risking their lives, is a quite extraordinary achievement. It shows great courage, great resolution.

Bingo! Dr Lewis nails it...again.


10 posted on 10/07/2006 1:11:04 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

)One mans opinion freely given and worth almost that much)
After 9-11 OBL expected two things to happen
1 America would start bombing the Arab world
Causing
2 The Muslims world wide to flock to his banner.

When neither of these things happened he lost. Now it's just a matter of time and resolve to stay the course the President has set.


11 posted on 10/07/2006 1:22:34 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: neverdem

Great historical analysis, imho.

Thanks.


12 posted on 10/07/2006 4:04:24 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: neverdem

A strange analysis in that it starts with Egypt under Napoleon and neglects Egypt shortly thereafter under Muhammad Ali. While not an Egyptian, Ali was certainly a moderniser who introduced European fighting methods and industrial economic/innovations successfully to Egypt. The threat he wound up posing to the Ottoman empire (pleasantly regarded already as the sick man of Europe by her European rivals) was such that the Europeans combined to shut him down rather than risk the Ottoman empire being taken over by a more vigorous, innovative creation.


13 posted on 10/07/2006 4:56:32 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: All; neverdem

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Praise GOD that...
President BUSH has promised...


FREEDOM's Return to:


Communist Vietnam
Communist North Korea
Communist Cuba


as well as



FREEDOM's Arrival to:


All the Countries of the Middle East



...as America's own best self-defense against future terrorist attacks at home.


Even over the massive objections of our enemy within in Time of War with our own FREEDOM now directly at stake.




Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles for FREEDOM of the Vietnam War 1965-66

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(Photos)


14 posted on 10/07/2006 6:43:18 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: neverdem

Imprimus Bump!


15 posted on 10/07/2006 8:53:58 AM PDT by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace!)
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To: neverdem
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams

16 posted on 10/07/2006 10:34:29 AM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Valin
When neither of these things happened he lost

Very thought provoking.

17 posted on 10/07/2006 5:04:42 PM PDT by syriacus (MSM says - Michael Kennedy "had an affair" with a 14 yo; yet Mark Foley is the "pedophile.")
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To: neverdem

btt


18 posted on 10/07/2006 5:22:08 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: syriacus

Sometimes the lightbulb goes on and I have an actual thought, granted it doesn't happen to often.


19 posted on 10/07/2006 7:23:55 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin
Sometimes the lightbulb goes on and I have an actual thought

It's difficult for anyone to step back and see the "big picture," and I think you succeeded very nicely. You've certainly given me a new way of looking at things.

The folks who are most negative about our fight are the ones who are taking too many snapshots. They are throwing away the images showing success, saying those are aberrations. They are duplicating and distributing the images showing failure. They are even manufacturing fake images of failure.

20 posted on 10/08/2006 6:04:50 AM PDT by syriacus (Dems say it's A-OK for Clinton to expose himself + to perjure himself to derail a suit.)
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