grey_whiskers claims that OBEs do enable people literally to see (presumably including blind people). That is, (it is claimed) people who have them perceive and experience accurate visual representations of their surroundings.
Do you see...sorry, understand the difference?
You are apparently overstating my case.
The link to which I referred you earlier is the website of a practicing MD in Kansas City. It details conversations with other MD's about OBE's which they had observed: I did not recall any of those OBE's including blind people.
To repeat, the assertion was made within that link that some people undergoing OBE's observed and were able to comment on physical facts which they would have been unable to know about beforehand (being unconscious); or which they would have been unable to see (line-of-sight) *if* conscious: or which were physically correct (shape of human heart) which contradicted their preconceived notions.
A purely materialist view that OBE's are merely the manifestation of electrochemical phenomenon within an electrically stimulated (or dying) brain cannot account for the details of those particular episodes.
If you wish to call it "indeterminate" and not jump whole hog into mysticism, fine.
If you wish to call the participants either liars or dupes, fine.
But to dismiss the whole point based on an incomplete reading, or by dismissing other, unrelated accounts of OBE's , does not sound like a careful, objective approach.
Cheers!
It is true we are talking about two different aspects. If you define sight as perception through eyes, then only sighted people can see. If, on the other hand, you open your mind a little and ask if their might be other ways to perceive what eyes see, then cameras are an example of that and so might "soul sight" be. That is the way I have come to understand what I have read about and also my own experience.