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John Paul II Shouldn't Have Survived Gunshot(Miracle?)
NewsMax.com ^ | Oct. 2, 2006 | staff

Posted on 10/02/2006 6:07:20 PM PDT by kellynla

Doctors who operated on Pope John Paul after a 1981 assassination attempt were convinced he would die under the knife, his ex-secretary says in a new book.

Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, now archbishop of Krakow in Poland, also says in a memoir due to be published next year that efforts to save the pope were hampered by a series of glitches.

Brief excerpts of "My Life with Karol" were made available on Monday by the Italian publisher Rizzoli ahead of its presentation at the Frankfurt Book Fair this week.

In a chapter called "Those Two Bullets", Dziwisz recalls his feelings when Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca shot the Pope while his open jeep was being driven through St Peter's Square on May 13, 1981 at the start of his weekly general audience.

"I tried to hold him up (after he was hit by the second bullet) but it was as if he was letting himself go sweetly," writes Dziwisz, who served Karol Wojtyla for nearly four decades from the time the future pontiff was a bishop in Poland.

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To: razorbak
"Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. [Matt.4:10]"

"Amen." (Mary)

61 posted on 10/03/2006 6:37:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy Mercy. .." Angel of Fatima.)
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To: Lazamataz

"If you ever finally understand, it will be a miracle.'

Oh, I understand it. It's the taking of it seriously that passes me by.


62 posted on 10/03/2006 7:12:32 AM PDT by gcruse (" I can not support them now because Jones has turned them into a joke" I can not support them now b)
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To: gcruse
I know what you mean and have thought the same myself.

That said, I do believe in miracles. Most of the time, the evidence to prove that a miracle has occurred, isn't conclusive enough. And thus, belief in them is a matter of faith.

63 posted on 10/03/2006 7:27:44 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: Larry Lucido

I agree with your opinion.


64 posted on 10/03/2006 7:28:42 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: Moonman62
Yes, three giants! : )

I love that picture. Thank you for posting it!

65 posted on 10/03/2006 7:30:14 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: fatima

May God bless you and your family with His peace.


66 posted on 10/03/2006 7:48:47 AM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: Larry Lucido

And Brian Mulroney.


67 posted on 10/03/2006 9:14:20 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Yep, another one.

I actually give some credit to Mitterand, too, for a generally pro-NATO, anti-Soviet foreign policy.


68 posted on 10/03/2006 9:29:34 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: STARWISE

"God bless him .. and I do believe it was a miracle of Our Blessed Lady, to whom he was such a loving, loyal and devoted son."

Yes, and in one of his books, can't remember which one, he notes that and that that event is what made him such a devoted son to Mary. I believe he attributed her intervention and prayer as what made it a miracle that he survived.


69 posted on 10/03/2006 9:58:17 AM PDT by CatholicLady
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To: SamuraiScot
I'd like to get more credit for stuff in my life, too. But unfortunately, I didn't create the universe, and I try to give credit where it's due.

***************

LOL! Well done.

70 posted on 10/03/2006 10:42:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: gcruse

Sucks to be you, then. Very glad I'm me.


71 posted on 10/03/2006 3:15:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a pathological disorder masquerading as a religion.)
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To: phoenix0468

In the Lord's Prayer, the prayer that Jesus Himself teaches us in Matthew 6, there is the line:

"Thy will be done
On Earth, as it is in Heaven"

God's will on Earth isn't a lead-pipe cinch. We have free will, and Satan has a hand in what goes on down here on Earth as well.

We pray, specifically, that God's will be done, but that doesn't mean God's will ALWAYS gets done.

In Heaven it does, on Earth its not a given.

God gave His Son for us, and we either accept that gift, or we don't.

God wants us to love Him because we want to. You don't get love at the point of a gun.

Unless of course, you are a Fox News reporter taken hostage by Muslims, at which point your love of Allah can be had by making you choose between death and conversion.

As such, there's a difference.


72 posted on 10/03/2006 3:34:13 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Lazamataz

And here I've always thought you were an iconoclast. Too bad.


73 posted on 10/03/2006 3:44:19 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: AnAmericanMother

ah, duly noted, thanks!

see, i always thought that it seemed a little "uncited" if you know what i mean...but i didnt want to express that doubt here on FR, as many people take some things like that personally. lol.


74 posted on 10/03/2006 3:45:10 PM PDT by Zeppelin (You've been Zarqed !)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Intersting that you would take a theological discussion about Christian tenets and turn into a compare and contrast of dogma between Christianity and Islam. I don't disagree with what you have stated, just don't see the point in this discussion.


75 posted on 10/03/2006 4:10:02 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

He said it right after he did it. I'll see if I can find some links for you.


76 posted on 10/03/2006 5:38:10 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: MarkBsnr

You sure you didn't end up on the Timecube.com site? That one is completely off the charts. The guy is a hopeless racist, and that's about the only understandable part about the mess he created.
These Fundie sites can get pretty weird, esp anything to do with Jack Chick. No doubt the folks there must have gnashed their teeth in frustration when the Pope lived.
God bless John Paul II, for letting him finish his duty here on earth.


77 posted on 10/03/2006 6:55:27 PM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn; who is glosser of Titanic's wings)
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To: phoenix0468

Just something that dawned on me while I was explaining it to you.

Your question was a variation of "Why do bad things happen to good people?"


78 posted on 10/03/2006 7:11:47 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
"Why do bad things happen to good people?"

And why do good things happen to bad people. I personally don't think that God is involved in this whole scheme of things. For the most part we make our own luck, and some of us are able to use it more effectively than others. A bit like the idea of karma in Buddhism, but with less consequence for the bad people.
79 posted on 10/03/2006 7:15:22 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/549342/posts

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/papal.htm

Agca was a member of the Grey Wolves, decribed for years as a neo-fascist group, their ties to islam never mentioned. Today we know them as islamofascists.

http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/002296.html

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/pope/articles/poassassination.htm

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/pope/articles/poassassination.htm

80 posted on 10/03/2006 8:04:25 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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