UK : Hundreds clash in street battle

Lancashire Evening Post ^ | 10/02/2006

[Republicain]

A teenager was stabbed when hundreds of people became involved in a battle on the streets of Preston. Trouble centred on the Jamea Masjid mosque in Clarendon Street, Avenham, for more than four hours last night (Sunday) and led to a massive policing operation.

Preston's police chief said the problems were triggered by local youths throwing stones at cars belonging to people attending the mosque.

This sparked a response from around 200 people inside the mosque who came out to defend those under attack.

It resulted in one 16-year-old Asian youth being stabbed in the arm, but ambulance crews were turned back as the police felt it was too dangerous for them to enter the scene.

Fighting continued into the early hours and led to police requiring back-up from officers as far away as Lancaster and Burnley.

Chief Supt Mike Barton, divisional commander for the area, said more than 100 officers were deployed and he was treating the incident as race-related.

He said: "Some people I spoke to at the mosque insisted it wasn't racial but I think some people at the mosque believe it was.

"Until we actually find the offenders and speak to them, and because some people believe it to be racial, then that's how we'll treat it."

Insp Simon Hayes, force incident manager for Lancashire Police, described the incident as "community tension" with youths on the streets in a "confrontational mood".

He said: "As a result of that, there was a high-level policing operation to reassure the public and disperse these groups.

"There was no major disorder or serious incident."

Ilyas Desail, of the Jamea mosque on Clarendon Street, said: "It is not a mosque issue, it is a community issue.

"It is the month of Ramadan and that is the only reason the mosque has been brought into this.

"We are all upset by this, everyone is upset. No one is going to be happy with the tarnishing of such great efforts we have made in Preston in the past 40 years."

A mother-of-three, 33, from Clarendon Street, said: "It's getting ridiculous and for the past two nights there's been fighting."

[Twinkie]

Ivan, My son was in school at Oxford for years, and he definitely encountered the snobby, condescending attitude toward the "uncivilized" American culture. He was definitely wondering about the attitude, and we did discuss the fact that we doubted the British were all that happy about the Revolution, ya' know? We live in the South, and we KNOW what it is to lose a war and the effect it has on especially the men. IF billboards of this nature WERE present on a UK highway, they are very revealing of a very snotty attitude coming from somewhere in the UK. - Now, where would that be? It certainly didn't sprout there overnight like a mushroom.

[vbmoneyspender]

I specifically remember you saying it Ivan and I specifically remember you alluding to McVeigh as an example of our homegrown terrorist problem being worse than Britain's. More to the point, do you continue to deny that Britain has a huge Muslim problem that has no equivalent in the United States?

[vbmoneyspender]

Londonistan

The suicide bombings carried out in London in 2005 by British Muslims revealed an enormous fifth column of Islamist terrorists and their sympathizers. Under the noses of British intelligence, London has become the European hub for the promotion, recruitment and financing of Islamic terror and extremism - so much so that it has been mockingly dubbed Londonistan. In this ground-breaking book Melanie Phillips pieces together the story of how Londonistan developed as a result of the collapse of traditional British identity and accommodation of a particularly virulent form of multiculturalism. Londonistan has become a country within the country and not only threatens Britain but its special relationship with the U.S. as well.

[miss marmelstein]

Dear Mr. Stinker: (what a pen name!)

I don't hate Britain, I've been travelling there since 1972 with a pit stop for about 11 months in the late 1970s. I go there because my profession takes me there. When I'm not there, I try to keep up on British culture and politics. I watched the Labour conference this week and would have loved to stay on for the Conservative conference. I have friends in the British theatre and when we are not talking about American politics or Israel, we get along just fine.

Of course American liberals and leftists hate America. Do you think I don't understand that? What has that to do with a British billboard? (God, I'm sorry I mentioned it to you sensitive Brits!)

[MadIvan]

Ivan, My son was in school at Oxford for years, and he definitely encountered the snobby, condescending attitude toward the "uncivilized" American culture.

I can't speak for everyone in the UK. It is entirely possible he was among the toffs at Oxford...in which case, they're snobby and condescending towards everyone.

He was definitely wondering about the attitude, and we did discuss the fact that we doubted the British were all that happy about the Revolution, ya' know?

I can assure you, we're not - anyone who is would be an utter weirdo. Nothing you've said proves that we are. This is a theory you presented as a fact.

in the South, and we KNOW what it is to lose a war and the effect it has on especially the men. IF billboards of this nature WERE present on a UK highway, they are very revealing of a very snotty attitude coming from somewhere in the UK. - Now, where would that be? It certainly didn't sprout there overnight like a mushroom.

Try this on for size - go find an article about Muslims or some politically correct outrage in the UK on this site. You will find at least a few posts saying how Britain / England is doomed, how we're all going to be outbred by the Muslims, or killed by socialism and political correctness and "Oh dear God, we're going to have to bail out the Brits again".

To my ears, that's snobby and condescending. To my ears, that sounds like you're looking down on us. The Bible says something about removing the mote in your eye before trying to remove it in someone else's.

Ivan

[stinkerpot65]

a naivete that declares any resistance to it as - well, ignorant, uneducated and uncivilized.

Tell that to this guy.

Oops, you can't. He died in Iraq fighting alongside American troops.

Perhaps you'd like to write a letter to the little boy in the picture and discuss his father's "snotty condescension". Or make cracks about his teeth.

# Corporal Matthew Cornish, 29, of the 1st Battalion The Light Infantry, died after a mortar attack on a Basra base in the early hours of Tuesday, 1 August. The father-of-two from Yorkshire was the first soldier killed in an attack on a UK military base in Iraq. The Ministry of Defence said his deployments included Northern Ireland, Sierra Leone and Iraq in 2003 and 2004. "Matthew was a great soldier, a fine friend and a marvellous husband and father," said his Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Johnny Bowron.

And lots more, here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3847051.stm

[HeadOn]

Nicely done.

[MadIvan]

I specifically remember you saying it Ivan and I specifically remember you alluding to McVeigh as an example of our homegrown terrorist problem being worse than Britain's. More to the point, do you continue to deny that Britain has a huge Muslim problem that has no equivalent in the United States?

Post a link. If you're going to slander me, at least have the courtesy to try and prove your slander.

Now, there are approximately 1.6 million Muslims in Britain. According to this there are 5 million in the United States. According to the film Fahrenhype 9/11, there have been terrorist cells exposed in New York, Mississippi, Florida, Denver, Texas, California, and Michigan...and those are just off the top of my head. You want to continue to deny that you have a Muslim terrorist problem that looms as large as ours? Or perhaps larger - the terrorists took out the World Trade Centre in America; they haven't been able to do that much damage here.

Ivan

[Canard]

Why do you think that Britain has 'a huge Muslim problem that has no equivalent in the United States?'.

There are more Muslims in the US than Britain. Now, the US obviously has a substantially larger population but, at the end of the day, one terrorist attack in New York would not be less significant than one terrorist attack in London. Do you have specific reasons for believing the US muslim population to present less of a problem?

[miss marmelstein]

The Brits can dish it out but they can never take it.

(Putting my crash helmut on now!)

[HeadOn]

Well, compared to soccer (football) matches, it wasn't major, I guess...

[vbmoneyspender]

And by the way Ivan, before you start accusing me of being a reflexive British-hater, I consider Britain to be the indispensible nation in the development of both human liberty and Western Civilization. Without Britain, the United States could not have come into existence and without Britain standing watch over Europe and ensuring a balance of power for hundreds of years, Europe would have eventually grown into a centralized Empire along the lines of China. However, given that past history, what has astonished me so much over the past few years is how many Brits are bent on ignoring their past history that is filled with people like Nelson and Wellington and Churchill and Thatcher. If you are angry, don't be angry at me. Be angry at the multiculturalists in your own country who have allowed Londonistan to come into existence.

[BubbaBobTX]

Run for office on your six point plan and you get my vote.

[MadIvan]

If you are angry, don't be angry at me. Be angry at the multiculturalists in your own country who have allowed Londonistan to come into existence.

I get angry with anyone who spouts bullshit. That's why I don't like socialists, liberals, Communists and Islamists.

Ivan

[MadIvan]

The Brits can dish it out but they can never take it.

So says the lady who cries at billboards. (trying not to laugh here)

Ivan

[protest1]

Miss Marmelstein, sorry to see the grief you are getting regarding your post about the anti American billboards. I agree with your original sentiment. I am also from the UK and disagree with the ridiculous justification and insults directed at you.

[miss marmelstein]

Oh, thank you, protest1! It's so nice to hear from you - I know that there are so many good citizens of Great Britain and it's wonderful to talk to you! You are the reason I love England and keep returning there.

[vbmoneyspender]

I accused you of saying that our homegrown terrorist problem is as great or greater than Britain's. In response, you wrote the following:

Now, there are approximately 1.6 million Muslims in Britain. According to this there are 5 million in the United States. According to the film Fahrenhype 9/11, there have been terrorist cells exposed in New York, Mississippi, Florida, Denver, Texas, California, and Michigan...and those are just off the top of my head. You want to continue to deny that you have a Muslim terrorist problem that looms as large as ours? Or perhaps larger - the terrorists took out the World Trade Centre in America; they haven't been able to do that much damage here.

Now maybe I'm missing something Ivan, but doesn't your post confirm my original accusation?

[monkeywrench]

Beautifully done, Ivan! Some people can't seem to distingusih between leftists and rightists. Or their trolls who wish to sow discord among conservatives and allies.

[MadIvan]

Now you're squirming. You originally said that I had mentioned something about Timothy McVeigh as proving that your homegrown terrorist problem was as big as the UK's. I did nothing of the kind, and you have no evidence to say so.

I did say that you have a Muslim terrorist problem, which you are not facing up to. What makes me boil with absolute rage is when some jackass says that Britain is doomed because of the Muslims we have here, when people like you don't want to acknowledge the problem that you have on your doorstep. Why are YOU going to survive when you have that many Muslims, and a President who calls their faith the "religion of peace", and we are automatically going to die when we have less Muslims, and an administration that echoes the rhetoric of yours?

If you cannot pick up on that disparity of perception, then there's no helping you.

Ivan