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What Makes Us Different?
Time ^ | 01 October 2006 | MICHAEL D. LEMONICK & ANDREA DORFMAN

Posted on 10/01/2006 3:14:48 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Junior
No one can just discuss science anymore on this forum; to do so one must run the gauntlet of those who think any biological research is the devil's work. Fortunately, there are places things like this can be discussed without wading through this kind of crap.

This increasingly grates, yes. Like a rock in a shoe. Like an itch you can't scratch. It doesn't even have to be biology. It can be geology. It can be cosmology or astronomy. It can even be physics.

That this recurring freak show is such a predictable feature of life here says something unpleasant about the demographics. So does that current FR poll.

41 posted on 10/01/2006 8:12:37 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's obvious we'll have a complete understanding of the human/Nean/chimp genome within a generation (if not sooner). Not much later, we will be able to easily manipulate specific genes/proteins in test animals ie engineer, to affect changes in IQ, behavior, etc.

Thought experiment: when it is demonstrated that we can grow vocal cords & raise chimp IQ by enough points in order for them to be able to speak & comprehend, how is this going to effect the larger human population?

We all know it's coming, sooner than later. Will those that sign up for IQ enhancement gene therapy already be +1 std deviations, or will it be made available to those with -1 std deviations?

Will future brilliant generations look at our present-day geniuses with sadly condescending attitudes of how limited we were in our understanding of the world? Bonus question: will religion finally be on the ropes?

42 posted on 10/01/2006 8:26:01 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: PatrickHenry

When I read the title, I was hoping this was going to explore what makes the races different, not species.

Life Type - Percentage difference in DNA

Kingdom - 50
Phylum - 20
Class - 10
Order - 8
Family - 6
Genus - 4
Species - 1.85
Race - 0.145
Individual - 0.005

We need to explore these differences so that we don't stereotype. Every DNA strand is sacred.


43 posted on 10/01/2006 8:29:27 AM PDT by H.Akston (It's all about property rights.)
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===> Placemarker <===
44 posted on 10/01/2006 8:31:16 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: VadeRetro
That this recurring freak show is such a predictable feature of life here says something unpleasant about the demographics. So does that current FR poll.

The poll is interesting. More lurkers than registered freepers have answered "No" to the idea of including creationism in science class (37% compared to 31.5%), but that's not surprising. We've always said that we post these science threads for the lurkers, to demonstrate that there are science-literate conservatives.

Those figures are higher when you discard the "votes" of those who voted "Undecided" or "Pass." When you do that you get 35.5% for freepers and 39.4% for lurkers. The overall figure for all voters who expressed an opinion is currently 37.5%. Any way you look at it, the result is horribly low (for keeping religion out of science classes), but it's far higher than some of the creationists around here had been hoping for.

45 posted on 10/01/2006 8:37:52 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Chuck Dent

Answer to all your questions: NO!


46 posted on 10/01/2006 8:39:15 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier fighting in the WOT)
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To: ASA Vet

"First hijack attempt by #8?"

Good call!! #7 wss it.


47 posted on 10/01/2006 8:59:19 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: PatrickHenry
Everyone knows the mysteries of our Omniscient Omnipresent, Omnipotent God Almighty Patrick Henry. DAMN YOU AND YOUR ELK for not bowing down to the CREATOR.

The truth will set you free. I'll pray for your souls.

Please be so kind to read my link before you dare respond, infidel.


PS. Have a nice day.
48 posted on 10/01/2006 9:33:29 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: gotribe

No. Not only is gene sequence similar, but gene organization is also often similar, and the gene dissimilarities are also as they would be expected if creatures were related.


49 posted on 10/01/2006 9:41:40 AM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: sully777
... YOU AND YOUR ELK ...

My elk and I are very happy. Please don't criticize my lifestyle.

50 posted on 10/01/2006 9:46:28 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL


51 posted on 10/01/2006 9:49:25 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

Anne Elk?


52 posted on 10/01/2006 10:19:29 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Chuck Dent
Will future brilliant generations look at our present-day geniuses with sadly condescending attitudes of how limited we were in our understanding of the world?

They will look at the scientific powerhouses of Mexico, Vietnam and Kasikstan and compare their pursuit of science to the poor (by then 3rd or 4th rate) USA who ended its ability to do any real scientific research because science is Evil or doesn't address Philsophy sufficiently.

53 posted on 10/01/2006 10:23:24 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


54 posted on 10/01/2006 10:24:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: freedumb2003

LOL



Ann Elk: The Theory, by A. Elk -- Brackets--Miss--brackets. My theory is along the following lines...

Show presenter Chris: [under breath sighing] God...

Ann: ...All brontosauruses are thin at one end; much, much
thicker in the middle and then thin again at the far end. That is the theory that I have and which is mine and what it is, too.

Chris: [incredulous] That's it, is it?

Ann: Right, Chris!

Chris: [in surprised sarcastic tone] Well, Anne, this theory of yours seems to have hit the nail right on the head.

Ann: [proud]... and it's mine.


55 posted on 10/01/2006 10:33:58 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: Junior

"This is just more confirmation of common descent "

Only a dipstick would confuse commonality with causality.

Learn the difference.


56 posted on 10/01/2006 10:34:53 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: PatrickHenry
My elk and I are very happy. Please don't criticize my lifestyle.

LOL!

Try this link. Remeber that I'm from Minnesota, not Wisconsin :-)

57 posted on 10/01/2006 10:55:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Junior

This is from the FAQ at The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM)...
________________________________________________________
Q: Why [do you believe humans are descendants of] Pirates?


A: We believe that humans evolved from pirates. Consider that humans share around 95% DNA with monkeys, and more than 99.9% DNA with pirates.



I love that site.


58 posted on 10/01/2006 10:57:47 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: H.Akston

When studying the human genome and its similarity to that of the chimp, scientists have recently concluded that 96% of our genome is similar. However, most people are unaware that this percent pertains to the regions of our DNA that result in proteins. It seems logical that if a protein performs a certain function in one organism, then that same protein should perform the same function in a variety of organisms. This is evidence for a common designer as much as for a common ancestor. But most of the DNA sequence performs an unknown function and has been largely dismissed as “junk DNA.” However, increasing evidence supports the view that “junk” DNA performs an important role. For example, a recent report unexpectedly found specific sequence patterns in “junk” DNA which scientists have termed “pyknons.”1 It has been suggested that these pyknons may be important in determining when and where proteins are made.

Within this “junk DNA” there may be large differences between man and chimp. The areas of greatest difference appear to involve regions which are structurally different (commonly called “rearrangements”) and areas of heterochromatin (tightly packed DNA).

Here are some other interesting differences between the human and chimp genomes which are often not reported:

* The amount of chimp DNA is 12% larger than what it is in humans.
* Several hundred million bases (individual components of the DNA) of the chimp genome are still unanalyzed.
* In many areas of the DNA sequence, major “rearrangements” seem apparent. These account for perhaps 4–10% dissimilarity between chimps and humans.
* Chimps have 23 chromosomes and humans have only 22 (excluding sex chromosomes for both species).

Thus, the physical and mental differences between humans and chimps are most likely due to the differences in purpose and function of the so-called junk DNA. This understanding should leave us more mindful of the awesome complexity of the Creator and His creation of DNA.

Dr. Georgia Purdom earned her doctorate from Ohio State University in molecular genetics and spent six years as a professor of biology at Mt. Vernon Nazarene University. Dr. Purdom is also a member of the American Society for Microbiology and American Society for Cell Biology.


59 posted on 10/01/2006 11:05:25 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: PatrickHenry
The scene: A suburban living room.
The players: Patrick henry is at home with his significant other...
The drama: ...when his sister comes to visit bearing a gift of cheese.

Pandemonium ensues.

Sister: Bitten.
Cheese: Eaten
Domestic tranquility: Restored only through use of a beeber-like stune device.

"Elk". Yeah, right.

60 posted on 10/01/2006 11:13:06 AM PDT by Hoplite
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