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America’s Army on the Edge [nyt alert]
new york times ^ | 10/1/06

Posted on 09/30/2006 5:32:47 PM PDT by mathprof

Even if there were a case for staying the current course in Iraq, America’s badly overstretched Army cannot sustain present force levels much longer without long-term damage. And that could undermine the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come.

The Army has been kept on short rations of troops and equipment for years by a Pentagon more intent on stockpiling futuristic weapons than fighting today’s wars. Now it is pushing up against the limits of hard arithmetic. Senior generals are warning that the Bush administration may have to break its word and again use National Guard units to plug the gap, but no one in Washington is paying serious attention. That was clear last week when Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter.

As early as the fall of 2003, the Congressional Budget Office warned that maintaining substantial force levels in Iraq for more than another six months would be difficult without resorting to damaging short-term expedients.[snip]

These emergency measures have taken a heavy toll on combat readiness and training, on the quality of new recruits, and on the career decisions of some of the Army’s most promising young officers. They cannot be continued indefinitely.

Now, with the security situation worsening in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon concedes that no large withdrawals from either country are likely for the foreseeable future. As a result, even more drastic and expensive steps could soon be needed. The most straightforward would be to greatly increase the overall number of Army combat brigades. That would require recruiting, training and equipping the tens of thousands of additional soldiers needed to fill them.

Yet the Pentagon and Congress remain in an advanced state of denial.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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I'm so glad the new york times cares about the military.
1 posted on 09/30/2006 5:32:50 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof
America’s badly overstretched Army cannot sustain present force levels much longer without long-term damage. And that could undermine the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come.

The Army has been kept on short rations of troops and equipment for years by a Pentagon more intent on stockpiling futuristic weapons than fighting today’s wars. Now it is pushing up against the limits of hard arithmetic. Senior generals are warning that the Bush administration may have to break its word and again use National Guard units to plug the gap, but no one in Washington is paying serious attention. That was clear last week when Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter.

From the military experts at the NYT. How many years' collective military experience do the NYT editors have, anyway? Seriously?

2 posted on 09/30/2006 5:35:09 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: mathprof
Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!! Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!!

We'll never be able to fight in an Afghan Winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah. Memories.
3 posted on 09/30/2006 5:37:58 PM PDT by horse_doc
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To: mathprof
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com (a subsidiary of Al Jazeera Network).

Click on link and see what I mean.

4 posted on 09/30/2006 5:41:11 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: mathprof

Let's shut off the federal money tap to favorite liberal projects and funnel the money into the military. Alternately, a national tax on "organic" foods and latte to buy weapons systems and body armour.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 5:42:04 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Aside from abortion, perversion, sedition and corruption, what do the Democrats stand for?)
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To: mathprof

BS. The US Congress JUST passed a bill yesterday that adresses all of this. Guess the NY Slimes just could not pass up republishing the latest DNC Talking Poing memo to actually report the truth.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 5:43:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: mathprof; Hardastarboard
Well, although there's lots of truth to this, it seems the only time the Times will print the truth is when it's damaging to us. Still, we need to face the fact that Clinton badly damaged the US military and we're not prepared for the deployments required. It's time to reform the system by which we rely heavily on Reservists and Guardsmen for long-term overseas deployments and authorize a larger active-duty force with larger stockpiles, etc. We need to better provide for our military, to let prospective recruits know that they will get the support and respect they need, and won't be used as political pawns and get cut off.

...and what really burns me is that this has to be discussed in public during wartime, since our government has not been properly taking care of business.

7 posted on 09/30/2006 5:46:17 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Hardastarboard

if you read the article there is not a single quote in the entire thing...just make it up as it goes along...

I wonder if they'll do an editorial on the Army achieving recruiting, retention goals...

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=9607


8 posted on 09/30/2006 5:47:09 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
That is a FINE idea. The Leftist are all screaming how Bush never asked us to "Sacrifice" for the war effort. Very well. I am more then willing to sacrifice my share of the Department of Education, the National Endowment for the Arts, Farm Subsides, National Public Corporation and Legal aid to the cause. So lets come up with a list of items the American people can "Sacrifice" for the war effort. After all the Leftists tell us all the good all their social spending does. IF we got to "Sacrifice" for the war effort, let us start with what we "get" from the Government.
9 posted on 09/30/2006 5:47:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: mathprof
"That was clear last week when Congress recklessly decided to funnel extra money to the Air Force’s irrelevant F-22 stealth fighter."

"...irrelevant?" The New York Times needs to recruit some of that calm, cool testosterone. Until then, its staff's hysteria will continue to be commonly known.

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric

10 posted on 09/30/2006 5:48:22 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: mathprof

The N.Y. Times and the Democrats in general are engaged in wishful thinking. They hope that our troops will be killed and wounded, and that the United States will appear to lose the war on terror while Bush is in office. They are totally frustrated and disappointed that there have been no terrorist attacks in the United States since 9/11/01.


11 posted on 09/30/2006 5:48:36 PM PDT by pleikumud
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Even if there were a case for staying the current course in Iraq, America’s badly overstretched Army cannot sustain present force levels much longer without long-term damage. And that could undermine the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come.

Let me get this straight - the bozos at the NYT are concerned about undermining the credibility of American foreign policy for years to come, yet they are pushing for the US to surrender and withdraw from Iraq. Clearly they believe that their readers are idiots, utterly bereft of critical thinking skills (either that, or the writer is an idiot utterly bereft of critical thinking skills)...

12 posted on 09/30/2006 5:49:15 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: Gondring
Which is what the Bush administration is in the process of doing. They are shifting more of the military OUT of Reserve/Guard units into the Active Duty Military. And who are fighting this program tooth and nail. Democrat Politicians who don't want to give up all the marvelous opportunities for graft the expanded Guard/Reserve force Clinton created give them.
13 posted on 09/30/2006 5:50:10 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: mathprof

There is no newspaper in the nation that knows less about military affairs than the NYT.


These reporters are the dumbest I have ever seen. Morons.


14 posted on 09/30/2006 5:51:43 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"Alternately, a national tax on "organic" foods and latte to buy weapons systems and body armour."

I'd support a huge tax increase on Starbuck's coffee.


15 posted on 09/30/2006 5:53:40 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier fighting in the WOT)
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To: Hardastarboard
From the military experts at the NYT. How many years' collective military experience do the NYT editors have, anyway? Seriously?

You are quite right. The editorial staff of the NYT has the military knowledge, experience and judgment equal to the leader of a gay girl scout troop. Moreover, they are using this to advance their agenda to bring about the defeat of the United States in the War on Terror. This will certainly be result if U.S. Policy follows the NYT lead.

However, the facts behind the propaganda are troubling. During the Vietnam War, we skipped an entire generation of modernization (except for the Air Force, they never skip anything) at great risk to the country in order to fight the war at the level we thought necessary. Was the risk worth it? It think so, but others disagree.

In this case, we have chosen the other course: continue Modernization as planned and take risk with our committment to the current fight. This, in my view, is far riskier. If we are perceived by the world to be beaten in Iraq, we will reap a bloody harvest for years to come - and our transformational systems may never be brought to bear in the fight.

The Army has said for years that it needs 2 more divisions (or the equivilent combat brigades, combat battalions - you take your pick). We are quickly running out of time to decide, recruit, equip, train, and deploy these divisions. Wellington said that Waterloo was a very near run thing. What would he have said if he has come up just a bit short? Answer, nothing - Napolean would have hung him before he had a chance to speak.

16 posted on 09/30/2006 5:55:15 PM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: mathprof

And may I add to my former comments....They are suicidal morons, content to believe that because a bomb has not exploded on their block, none ever will.

The Islamofacists are not going to take down Lincoln, Nebraska, they will attack New York and Washington (note to the NYT reporters...that is Washington, DC).


17 posted on 09/30/2006 5:56:29 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: MNJohnnie

Great tagline, MNJohnnie. I agree. We are in a war. The entire country should be making sacrifices for the war effort as this nation did during WWII. I'd start in Hollywood and have them all working in factories making Humvees and Tanks, and bullets, etc.


18 posted on 09/30/2006 5:58:53 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier fighting in the WOT)
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To: mathprof

Folks, we're one month from important elections. The left and the media will be throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at us. It will be relentless and sickening, and the truth or the public good will be far down the list of their priorities.


19 posted on 09/30/2006 5:58:56 PM PDT by Jhensy
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Irrelevent F-22?

Brought to you by the same geniuses who said the aircraft carrier was obsolete back in 84'.

20 posted on 09/30/2006 5:59:29 PM PDT by zarf
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