Posted on 09/28/2006 4:10:46 PM PDT by Coleus
Throughout the abortion debate in America, pro-abortion activists have accused pro-lifers of spreading violence; however, Human Life International's senior analyst, Brian Clowes, has just completed a project that suggests the complete opposite is the case. "Seven murders are carried out by so called pro-life people in the time period 1993 to 1998," he notes, "and yet we've documented over 500 murders done by people who are pro-choice."
Clowes documented those murders by pro-choicers in three categories: actual murders by abortionists and pro-choice advocates; men who killed their pregnant girlfriends and wives who refused to abort their babies; and other individuals who killed women because they were pregnant.
"For every single instance of so-called 'pro-life extreme violence' -- which is murder, attempted murder, kidnapping and arson -- we have 80 instances of pro-choice extreme violence," the researcher says. Meanwhile, he points out, "We have a lot of news media that's directed entirely towards talking about how pro-life people are supposed to be so violent, and the pro-choicers are all mild-mannered, nice people."
In other words, Clowes explains, "what we have here is a kind of imbalance" between the truth and the common perception. "And I'd like to try to balance this out, showing that the abortion culture is really violent in all of its aspects," he says. The details of Clowes research project have been made available online. The report can be seen on the website ProChoiceViolence.com.
Obviously it takes two to create the unborn child (for this discussion, I'm omitting the cloning/petri dish pregnancies, etc). However, once the woman is pregnant, she alone has any say in whether the child lives or dies. If she wants it, the man must help support it; if she doesn't want it, she can abort it and he has no say in the matter. Even if he offers to raise the child and "let her get on with her life," that's too bad. Only the woman has "the right to choose."
I think the situation discussed in this story is that men want the women to have abortions and they want to have the babies, so the men murder the mother in order to kill the child. The opposite situation, mentioned above, is just as heinous, IMO, and also contributes to the American "culture of death."
On the other hand, whenever pro-abortionists kill or beat up pro-lifers or other people, the local media usually reports fairly on the incidents. However, the national and international news services usually consider such incidents beneath their notice. This means that interested parties must dig a little in order to find documented evidence of pro-abortion violence. It also means that almost everyone is astonished when they are told that pro-abortionists have committed nearly 500 murders since 1966 and an incredible 269 murders just since the year 2000 and this does not include fatal botched abortions!
Just a few of these murders are listed below.
Excerpt: Two human beings died as a result of a December 1996 abortion performed by Bruce Steir: The 20-week-old unborn child carried by 27-year-old Sharon Hamptlon, and the mother herself. "I think I ve pulled bowel," Steir informed an attending nurse during the abortion a comment indicating that Steir had punctured the uterine wall. Under established medical procedures, Steir should have sent Hamptlon to a hospital. But Steir a notoriously inept practitioner who had mangled several women in Washington and Florida during his 23-year career as an abortionist had been on probation with the California medical board since 1988, and an emergency room visit from a customer would have imperiled his license.
Rather than calling an ambulance, Steir sent Hamptlon home from the Riverside, California, abortion clinic. As her mother and her three-year-old son looked on, Hamptlon a black single mother bled to death in the front seat of the car. By this time Steir was on a plane to San Francisco. As a circuit-riding abortionist, Steir had a busy schedule; there were other "clinics" to visit, and more babies to abort.
Excerpt: The truth is that taxi cab drivers, grocery store workers, service station employees, used car dealers, real estate agents, liquor store employees, police officers, jewelers and hotel personnel are murdered at a rate many, many times higher than abortionists, according to Bureau of Labor statistics. But these murders do not fit into a political agenda, so they are ignored by the abortion-favoring media.
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Here's another one:
"By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems."
Mother Teresa
Thanks for the ping!
"And if we can accept that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"
---Mother Teresa
It's kinda like paying taxes so our government can throw others into detention for funding terrorism while at the same time supporting regimes that use terrorism against our enemies.
Citation, please.
Could you clarify what you mean? Are you saying pro-life is the real pro-choice? Pro-choice is not pro-abort? Or that pro-choice should be called pro-abort?
Yeah - that's what I was wondering too. You just can't call someone who murders a pregnant woman ipso facto "pro-choice." Sounds pretty meaningless to me - as does the study in general.
On the one hand, if you go to the website where the data from this new study is supposedly housed, you find something organized like an encyclopedia that is definitely not new or recently updated. For example, I looked up Rockford, IL abortionist Richard Ragsdale on their encyclopedia page and the information was all quite accurate, but they didn't include the fact that he's been dead for two years now.
On the other hand (and this goes right to the heart of HeartofDixie's wise question), the violence and other crimes committed by just the abortionists in their encyclopedia far outweigh anything I've heard about from pro-life extremeists. I'm not including abortions in that total.
For example, Ragsdale got off scot free after taking child porn photos of his toddler foster daughter. But we're talking violence here, and there were 7 killings by "pro-life" extremists from 1993-1998, so...
1. Lawrence Alozie Akpulonu raped a patient under anesthesia in 1995. Bet she wasn't the only one, just the only one who woke up while he was committing the rape.
2 & 3. Akpulonu "was also given probation for brandishing a loaded handgun in front of pro-lifers and threatening their lives. ...Akpulonu threatened a parking garage attendant with a loaded .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol, which he had been carrying concealed in his vehicle, when the attendant asked him to remove his improperly parked car from a restricted area." Since those two happened before 1993, I'll put them aside for now...guess I'll have to come up with a total of 9 incidents.
4. Philip S. Alberts lost his license in 1995 after it came to light that he had molested over 100 women. He died before trial but prosecuters had 89 women slated to testify against him.
5. Abortionist Peter Bayliss tied one patient to a bed and stuff a sanitary pad in their mouth to keep them quiet.
6. In 1993, David Benjamin allowed a woman whose abortion he had botched to die in his clinic because he waited for at least an hour before summoning an ambulance. A paramedic testified that his efforts to save her were hindered when Benjamin lied about the nature of her condition and treament, and he was indicted for murder because of his "depraved indifference to human life."
7. In 1998, John Biskind and his staff botched an abortion and then left the victim hemorrhaging on a gurney for three hours before calling 911. Paramedics estimated that she had been dead for at least 20 minutes when they arrived.
8. The previous month a woman was bleeding in Biskind's recovery room. He scraped her uterus without anesthesia to find the source of the bleeding. It didn't stop, but he left the clinic and the woman was saved because a nurse called 911.
9. I'm including this one here even though it's after 1998 because it would be too cumbersome for the "catch-all" para below: "Reich was charged with 28 counts of battery, attempted battery, sexual misconduct, prescribing drugs without a license, coercion, and impersonating a doctor. Reich sexually assaulted two of his abortion patients, forcing them to have oral sex with him. Another patient claimed that Reich raped her and botched one of her abortions. Several court testimonies claimed that Reich sexually abused at least six of his patients and botched operations on at least four others." (Found in the entry for "Nicholas Braemer," who he took over the clinic from in 2000.
10. On June 6, 1993, abortionist Stanley Brown tried to run down 79-year old Mrs. Margaret Cowell with his car. He also was found to have performed tubal ligations on pateints without their consent in the Eighties and lost his license for two years in 1988.
Note that I stopped at "Brown" on their alphabetical list of violent/incompetent abortionists. So that's ten, and it's just the abortionists--not even all the abortionists with A and B names--no nurses, protestors, clinic escorts, non-activists killing their girlfriends, etc. In addition, on my list of ten incidents of violence I did not include the following: 7 deaths through botched abortion, 1 abortion so badly botched it was definitely some sort of homicide, an attempt to hide the body of another woman killed by a botched abortion, 1 abortion performed in 1983 on a woman who wasn't pregnant, several abortions without consent prior to 1993, a 1988 death from using an overdose of Lidocaine in lieu of a general anesthetic (with up to two patients per day having siezures from the use of lidocaine overdoses), an Aussie abortionist who tied a patient to a bed and stuffed a sanitary napkin in her mouth, the wife of said Aussie abortionist intentionally letting him die after he fell down some stairs, abotched 1986 abortion which was ruled "homicide" by the coroner because the abortionist had screwed up so badly and then bundled the patient out of the facility when she collapsed, an abortionist charged for brandishing a pistol at abortion protesters (charges dropped because of "discrepancies in witness' descriptions"), an abortioist who did a late-term abortion and only managed to remove one arm from the child who bled out and was stillborn and a case of an abortionist selling controlled meds to addicts.
So, here's my suggestion: Don't cite their "study," but you can believe with all your heart that their conclusion is accurate. In fact, it's probably too lenient. And unless they faked all their cites, their data is ironclad.
Somebody needs to do a real study on this subject with solid methodology.
Most violence is not from any political class but a social class -the lowest one. This is a silly study which seems to have an odd attitude. Why does anyone believe that such a conclusion would help convince anyone that abortion is bad?
The examples in your post #50 are valid examples that support the headline.
The idea that boyfriends who want their girlfriends to have an abortion are part of the violent pro-abortion crowd is a real stretch.
Tossing in such irrelevant data makes me suspect that they can't support their original assertion with actual hard data.
Citation, please.
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Clinton Secretly OKed Iran's Arms Shipments to Bosnia
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Bill Clinton's Secret Dealings with Iran
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British TV documentary exposes NATO lies about Kosovo
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Allies and lies
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Hi thanks, your post looks intriguing (and long! haha) and I've been super swamped today.. and the weekend isn't looking much better, but I'll be back as soon as I can catch my breath!
Yikes. Those findings would appear to represent some REAL facts. I'm impressed!
No I opt for murdering heathens, personally.
But hey, I may be overstating. /sarc
Well, as long as you ask.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1710990/posts?page=40#40
Thank you for the link. That site is well-documented and loaded with citations. Long read, but I'm going to make sure this gets out.
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